POLL: No Gay Scouts, No Money, says United Way of Greater Cleveland
The United Way of Greater Cleveland will no longer give money to Boy Scouts because they ban gay members, reported The Plain Dealer. Do you agree?
United Way of Greater Cleveland won't give money to the Boy Scouts locally effective July 2013, reported The Plain Dealer.
The move comes after United Way, which serves Cuyahoga County communities, adopted its own policy for equal opportunity and diversity -- which applies to the agencies that get money from United Way.
In an obtusely worded press release, Boy Scouts of America reported that it reviewed its policy and stands by it.
The policy reads as follows: “While the BSA does not proactively inquire about the sexual orientation of employees, volunteers, or members, we do not grant membership to individuals who are open or avowed homosexuals or who engage in behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the BSA.”
United Way of Greater Cleveland shared its decision with The Plain Dealer's editorial board. In the story, United Way's board chairman, Paul Clark called the Boy Scout policy "indefensible."
So what do you think about the decision?
ALLAN JONES
12:29 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
no money to scouts without gays, no money to united way.....
Tiffany Jones
11:28 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Luckily for them I(and a lot of other people) feel the exact opposite! Especially since a whole lot of gay friendly folks stopped supporting other "charities" and businesses over their opposition to equality I'd say there are plenty of funds to replace yours. :)
MZ
12:39 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
The Boy Scouts should thank the United Way. Based on the recent past private donations to the Boy Scouts will likely increase and donations to the United Way will likely decrease.
Mars
12:53 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Wait, isn't child abuse (and it's subsequent horrific cover up) "behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the BSA"? They can't handle gay men and boys but they are just dandy with adult men abusing and molesting helpless children. Talk about messed up priorities. How disgusting.
-Over two decades, the Boy Scouts of America failed to report hundreds of alleged child molesters to police and often hid the allegations from parents and the public.
-Volunteers and employees suspected of abuse were allowed to leave citing bogus reasons such as business demands, "chronic brain dysfunction" and duties at a Shakespeare festival.
-Men expelled for alleged abuses slipped back into the program, only to be accused of molesting again. Now, a more extensive review has shown that Scouts sometimes abetted molesters by keeping allegations under wraps.
Megan Blosser
1:42 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
To MZ's point: Does this mean private donations will spike in an outpouring of support for BSA and their discriminatory policies? Maybe. But the long-term effects of United Way pulling funding will probably eclipse any kind of donation rally spurred on by this action.
James Thomas
1:59 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Ms. Blosser,
I have to disagree. I maintain a list of charitable institutions that I give to on an annual basis. I can't give much but I do give. Whereas United Way is not on my list, if it was than I would replace it with a direct contribution to the BSA. As it now stands the Boy Scouts have just made the list.
Mars
10:45 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
James, you're not ok with homosexuals but you're just dandy with sexual abuse of children and it's cover up?
Sex abuse files prompt calls for Boy Scouts ousters.
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-09-17/us/us_boy-scouts-sex-abuse_1_abuse-files-boy-scouts-abuse-allegations
MZ
11:32 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Rex, I don't think that James stated either of things you are inferring he stated. Whether or not he is comfortable with gays certainly is not causal to his feelings about child abuse or the cover up. If supports the BSA doesn’t mean he support child rape or any cover up.
If I were a Penn State fan, does that mean I automatically condone child abuse and the cover up? If I donated to the school does it mean I am ok with Jerry Sandusky?
Do all Catholics support child abuse perpetrated by priests? If they tithe at church are they just dandy with child rape?
If I vote for Obama, does that mean I condone a kill list?
Do all Muslims support the annihilation of the great satan?
Tiffany Jones
11:34 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
@ James, United way was, on my list of charities not to donate to, since they had ties with organizations such as the BSA, now they are on my "ok by me list". Can you seriously believe that everyone who donates to charities believes as you do? There are plenty of people who support gay friendly, equality promoting causes and organizations and statistically a number of those people have higher levels of discretionary income. Enjoy your tunnel vision:)
James Thomas
12:00 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Rex,
your tactic is McCarthyite guilt by association and you should be ashamed of yourself, but I doubt you have any shame.
Tiffany,
what is it you could know about what "I believe" from my comment? Only that I believe that Scouting is worthwhile and worthy of support. You also are making unfounded assumptions and assigning guilt with no factual basis. Shame on you.
Tiffany Jones
2:32 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
@James You stated you "disagreed". To disagree is to differ in opinion, an opinion is a belief. I am sorry you misspoke.
James Thomas
9:34 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Ms. T. Jones,
How did I "misspeak"? I presented my opinion which was contrary to yours only in the idea of whether the BSA was worthy of support. Yes I can believe that people believe as I do that Scouting is worthwhile. Millions of Scouts and their parents seem to provide all the proof I need to reach that opinion.
Kay McIntosh
1:44 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
It's their choice. Period. If you don't support their choice, don't donate to them. If you do support it, donate. What else is there to discuss?
Mark Schwertle
4:44 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
The point is what happened women and minorities in organizations that discriminated in the past.. were they allowed to get away with saying these groups were a distraction!? If they did I'll bet they suffered, closed or changed their ways. This is just another form of discrimination. Period.
art reker
5:11 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
I know i'm gonna catch flack for this, but I just read where the Cuyahoga County United Way is deneying funds to Boy Scouts of America because they do not allow members, staff or volunteers who are openly gay. Guess we have to disolve the Boy and Girl Scouts and just have Unknown Gender Scouts. Can anyone from United Way tell me how many board members are openly gay or lesbian? How about employees? I won't donate until a significant number of board members come out. Enough of the liberals telling us how to run our lives and organizations.
John McMillan
8:22 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
That's just an idiotic statement. Like the poster above stated, this is discrimination, period. You truly believe that all gay people are child molesters? Rubbish. And just because it's an "organization," does that make it exempt from being discriminatory? Do you support the KuKluxKlan as well??? Sexual orientation should have no import in this situation. If it's a boy, let him join the Boy Scouts; if it's a girl, the Girl Scouts. End of story.
Earl Elevant
11:36 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
So join the Boy Scouts, John, and change their organization from within.
Otherwise, who are you to tell the Boy Scouts what they can and cannot do in their organization?
Mars
10:47 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
The laws and ethics governing our nation state you can't sexually abuse young boys, or anyone else for that matter. Yet alone covering it up.
James Murphy
8:31 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
here is the link to give to the boy scouts http://aplacetogive.scouting.org/magento/index.php/checkout/cart/
TAKE THAT UNITED WAY
Mark
9:29 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
link to donate to United Way:
https://www.kintera.org/site/c.gpIOKZOxFoG/b.5573107/k.2BFB/Donate_Now/apps/ka/sd/donorcustom.asp
Take that prejudicial troglodytes. Way to preach the hate! You set a fine example for all of the young scouts.
David
9:36 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
My money would be on a bet that those who will say negative things about scouting have not attended a local troop or pack or crew meeting lately to see what positive skills are taught. It comes down to the local setting - and who will be hurt - and that is the troops who are financially hurting and just trying to provide a place for scouts and crew to learn to be self-sufficient. Politicaly correctness once again harms what locally is very positive.
Paul
9:25 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
No more donations to United "better do what we tell you or we will cut your funding" Way
Paul
9:27 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
John, that was a dumb example. I don't think the United Way funds the Klu Klux Klan
John McMillan
12:44 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Of course, you missed the entire point of my point. The Ku Klux Klan espouses discrimination, just as the Boy Scouts are doing. And it doesn't matter if it's an "organization", it's STILL discrimination.
Adam C. Miller
9:37 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
I could care less what they do with their money!
Adam C. Miller
9:38 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
But, I guarantee the United Way will feel the pain at the Bank.
MitWitt Romney
1:06 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Romney Backs Gays in Boy Scouts....
here's a link to the article and video where Romney states...."I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts, regardless of their sexual orientation," Romney says in the video, prefacing his support for gays and lesbians
I wonder if you homophobes will stop giving money to Romney too. Now before you get all emotional because your conservative candidate seems to be in favor of the gays (and we all know gays are associated with increased drugs:crime:molestation: and prostitution) I bet his support is artificial. So you can relax Mitt most likely hates gays for how they were born. I bet he is so much lower in approval rating that President Obama, that he just fakes support to throw in some extra points with the queers.
Dave Hartman
6:20 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Dave Hartman
The United Way is no longer worthy of financal support. They are engaging in social engineering as opposed to supporting worthy causes and organizations.
Mars
10:47 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Wait, isn't child abuse (and it's subsequent horrific cover up) "behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the BSA"? They can't handle gay men and boys but they are just dandy with adult men abusing and molesting helpless children. Talk about messed up priorities. How disgusting.
-Over two decades, the Boy Scouts of America failed to report hundreds of alleged child molesters to police and often hid the allegations from parents and the public.
-Volunteers and employees suspected of abuse were allowed to leave citing bogus reasons such as business demands, "chronic brain dysfunction" and duties at a Shakespeare festival.
-Men expelled for alleged abuses slipped back into the program, only to be accused of molesting again. Now, a more extensive review has shown that Scouts sometimes abetted molesters by keeping allegations under wraps.
David
6:43 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
This is political correctness at its best - and political correctness continues to bring down this country. When I first hear of the PC movment back in the early 80s I said then that it would prove to be bad for America.
Diversity, for example, should NOT be a focus in our schools. UNITY should be a focus - we are one country - diversity separates us in to sub groups which weakens the country as a whole.
This decision by United Way will mostly hurt the child. When less money is available for programming and the positive skils offered by BSA then the end result is your son and daughter, your neighbor's son or daughter, is hurt. BSA has Venturing - which is co-ed.
I heard of this from a friend who wanted me to be aware of it and he ended with the statement that, although he has given to the United Way for years through his employer he will no longer give money to United Way.
Nor will I.
Mars
10:48 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Wait, isn't child abuse (and it's subsequent horrific cover up) "behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the BSA"? They can't handle gay men and boys but they are just dandy with adult men abusing and molesting helpless children. Talk about messed up priorities. How disgusting.
-Over two decades, the Boy Scouts of America failed to report hundreds of alleged child molesters to police and often hid the allegations from parents and the public.
-Volunteers and employees suspected of abuse were allowed to leave citing bogus reasons such as business demands, "chronic brain dysfunction" and duties at a Shakespeare festival.
-Men expelled for alleged abuses slipped back into the program, only to be accused of molesting again. Now, a more extensive review has shown that Scouts sometimes abetted molesters by keeping allegations under wraps.
Debbie
9:18 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
The bottom line is that United Way has no place telling BSA what they should or should not do....if they choose to pull their funding so be it.
David
9:32 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
But their reasoning is based in political correctness which is a weak, cowardly and damaging philosophy.
Megan Blosser
9:54 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
So...BSA should be free to restrict its memberships based on its values, but United Way should NOT be able to limit where its funds go based on ITS values?
MZ
11:36 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Yes, the United Way can fund anyone they want to fund. I didn't read any comments to the contrary. I did read several that said that they will no longer support the United Way. I also noticed that Rex really likes to copy and paste.
Dan Georges
10:21 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
1. The BSA is allowed to run its organization as it sees fit.
2. The United Way is allowed to dole out funds as it sees fit.
3. If you don't like one or the other (or neither), then that is your right and privilege as an American Citizen.
Case closed.
Mars
10:36 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Wait, isn't child abuse (and it's subsequent horrific cover up) "behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the BSA"? They can't handle gay men and boys but they are just dandy with adult men abusing and molesting helpless children. Talk about messed up priorities. How disgusting.
-Over two decades, the Boy Scouts of America failed to report hundreds of alleged child molesters to police and often hid the allegations from parents and the public.
-Volunteers and employees suspected of abuse were allowed to leave citing bogus reasons such as business demands, "chronic brain dysfunction" and duties at a Shakespeare festival.
-Men expelled for alleged abuses slipped back into the program, only to be accused of molesting again. Now, a more extensive review has shown that Scouts sometimes abetted molesters by keeping allegations under wraps.
James Thomas
12:11 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Mr. Rex T Jeeper,
You stated your opinion in your first post. Reposting it three times is a "shout down the opposition" tactic; also a favorite of McCarthyites.
Mars
3:59 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
McCarthy must have been one of your good republican friends. You miss him, eh?
James Thomas
5:08 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Mr. Jeeper,
you prove that talking to stones gets a person nowhere.