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Protests Resume at Board Members' Homes; Teachers from Other Districts Recruited to Help

Regional union leader asks members from nearby schools to assist in demonstrations

 

 

Teachers are again staging protests in front of Strongsville School Board members' homes -- but this time, the protestors may not teach in Strongsville.

On Wednesday evening, a group of demonstrators gathered in front of board member Carl Naso's house.

On Tuesday, there was reportedly a group in front of Board President David Frazee's home.

But unlike the first time union members gathered at board members' homes, this time the teachers may not be Strongsville employees.

The North Eastern Ohio Education Association put out a memo to teachers in nearby districts, seeking volunteers to hold candlelight vigils at the Strongsville school board's homes.

The memo said the vigils would help pressure the board back to the negotiating table.

It noted that teachers elsewhere weren't able to join the daily picket lines in front of schools because they were working, but said the teachers could show support for the Strongsville Educaton Association by volunteers for the evening vigils.

It asks volunteers to meet at 4:30 p.m. at the SEA's strike office on Dow Circle for vigils that will run till 8:30 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays until the strike ends.

Groups of teachers gathered in front of all five board members' homes Feb. 25, while contract talks were still going on.

The strike in Strongsville is in its second week.

Related Topics: Sea, strongsville schools, strongsville teachers strike, and teachers strike strongsville

James Murphy

7:50 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

MEDINA SCHOOLS SIGN NEW CONTRACT

Highlights of the contract include no pay increases, though longevity steps will remain; an increase in teachers' contribution to their health care from 17.5 percent to 20 percent; and an agreement that high school teachers will teach six periods instead of five.

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StrongsvilleTeachersNaive

11:55 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

What? No strike? No acting like whining little babies that had their pacifier taken away?

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Mike

8:57 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

There you have it! Medina's Union realizes, as have other Unions, like the UAW that Member's Total Comp MUST reflect the ability of the PAYOR (GM or Municipal Taxpayers) to afford or be able to support. I truly believe that the Teachers in Strongsville are living in the past, and are not focused on the fact that their Total Comp is 100% tied to the public's ability to pay. Due to the Great Recession, and more importantly the last decade's off-shoring of good middle-class jobs, the median income of the community has significantly adjusted downward, and since public school Teachers are provided for via our economy, so must they live within the current reality. Like the vast majority of their student's parents, their incomes will not be able to grow, their retirement plans will change, as well as their cost sharing in numerous insurance benefits ... such is the reality of the global world that we live in. Why is it that their are many others who would love to be paid/comped at the same deal that the Teachers walked away from or is being currently offered? Because by comparison their are many college grads that do not have it so good. Bottom-line, is it is good to appreciate what you have (especially when it is sweet), and put your self in other people's shoes! (aka the community that provides their Comp)

Lori

7:59 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Isn't this kind of protesting bullying. what is this proving walking the boards sidewalks.. I think these teachers will have a big fight on there hands if they think they will ever charge a student with bullying.

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Ken McEntee

9:00 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I agree with Greg. The board is going to have a credibility issue to deal with if it allows teachers back into the classroom who have been involved in activities that violate district policies on staff and/or student behavior.

Teachers are now demonstrating to their students that while forbidden by district policy, harassment and intimidation (bullying) are acceptable behaviors (Policy 5517.01). By participating in such behavior, or by condoning such behavior, a teacher will have no credibility in referring a student for discipline for the same behavior.

Further, district will have no credibility to discipline students for violations if they condone such behavior by staff members.

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BOE Support _ N. Ridgeville

6:33 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

They should set up their lawn sprinklers.

Frank Dreban

8:16 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

One of my clients lives in the neighborhood. Just to let teachers and SEA sympathizers know, she confirmed something I already figured: THEY HATE YOU guys for doing stuff like this (among other things). If you honestly think you have the support of the community, you are literally living in a dream world.

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tom m

10:31 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

how is this going to win the support of the community............ the teachers really need to replace "norma Rae" .........with an adult

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SHSparent86

11:44 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

And it worked so well the last time...

Joe Fabeats

8:18 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

With all the money the BOE is saving not paying the teachers, I suggest the board members and their families stay at a 5 star hotel with all expenses paid. Don’t forget room service should also be included. Stay strong BOE!

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Dawn

8:38 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

They can have "candlelight vigils" at the BOE houses, they dont feel its "bullying" but that coward files a police report cuz someone follows her home and she doesn't feel safe??? REALLY??????????? I laugh at that!!!!

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What About Our Kids ??

9:24 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Apparently cars were following Big Trace on I-480 West today. They continued to follow her on I-71 South as well. She thought she had lost them when she turned off on Rt. 82, but then other cars started following her. Big Trace is probably still driving around aimlessly throughout NE Ohio trying to lose the headlights she sees in her rear view mirror. God Lord , this woman is a complete and utter goof. I've never seen a union strike where dems am repubs alike agree of the absolute stupidity of this strike. So sad that Big Trace is leading so many great teachers to doom. Great job Big Trace. You must be so proud of yourself.

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Paul

11:20 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

What big Trace fails to realize is that those of us not making $82,000 a year for 184 days of work, not living in a $500,000 house and do not have a pension that is paid for by others find the "unfair working conditions" argument a little tough to buy. Big Trace, if it was about the kids you wouldnt have gone on strike in March when it hurts the kids the most. I look forward to 2013 college graduates with teaching certificates applying for jobs with The Strongsville School System. We will welcome them with open arms.

Tad Taderson

8:58 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

This really is amusing....THIS is okay. But, making fun of a teacher online is an outrage.

Candid, Lyn Shady, Concerned, Baby Huey....of course, this behavior is completely acceptable.

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lyn

9:19 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Unbelievable the stupid leadership and idiotic ideas that come from Tracy and the OEA.

Do they have short term memory loss or what?
Unlike these fools, most people can remember back to the mounting anger people were having towards the teachers over their actions from the Board meetings and then culminated with their first march on the Board members homes. Once they did that, they lost so much support that they even had.
So, what do these jerks do, but repeat the same action over and over that turned so many in the community against them? Sounds like they must have someone on the Board directing their strategy because no one in their right mind would attempt this kind of intimidation and bullying again to gain support.

And Tracy calls victim that someone might know where she lives?
I guess they'll do anything to stay in the news.

I hope you all enjoy your next jobs!

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Dave P.

9:24 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

BOE stand strong, DO NOT give in to these BULLIES. We (taxpayers) feel for you.
Teachers ....QUIT disrupting our neighborhoods....shame on you !!!!!

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Dave P.

9:26 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

I came home from work today to find teacher union propaganda on my door. Teachers and your union goons, stay the heck off of MY PROPERTY !!!!!!!!

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What About Our Kids ??

9:28 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Yep - stand strong BOE. The community is behind you. Parents are joining together in whatever way we can to be even more normalcy back to our schools. Had a longtime Union meber opine to me tonight that Big Trace and the SEA's demands are an utter embarassment. He and I agree to disagree - alot. This is one issue we totally agree on.

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Rich

9:29 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

I am sorry but this picture is so pathetic.... One they probably do not even have the right address or the guy probably even isn't home !!! But it all seriousness....what little sympathy I had for their plight on day one is gone when they pull sh..t like this . If this group had any clue on how go about getting their message across in the right way you would think that someone from the SEA camp would immediately step forward with a little damage control and reiterate that actions such as this are not in line with they stand for . By them (SEA leadership) being silent , I almost feel like they are turning a blind eye to this type of crap and in a way condoning it!

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What About Our Kids ??

10:22 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Rich - you hit the nail on the head. Apparently, Big Trace and her spokesperson don't agree damage control is needed - as their silence shows. I guess then they must condone this type of activity.

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lyn

8:04 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Rich-
And if the guy isn't home - that is worse. His family could be and how many people would like their families to be in their homes with a crowd assembled outside? You know they would feel some degree of fear.

Dave P.

9:31 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Get OUT of OUR neighborhoods you greedy union thugs.....OUT !!!!!

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What About Our Kids ??

9:35 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

So why do posts continue to disappear from these discussions? Censorship at the Patch?

Perhaps those of us who disapprove of this strike should gather en masse and go protest out if front of Big Trace's house in Independence?

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Linda W

9:00 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

What? She doesn't even live in Strongsville?

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Danny Green

10:54 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Good Idea, or we should go to Dow Circle and follow them to their next "candlelight vigil" and protest across the street!

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lyn

11:15 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Dave-
Or if the Board members give permission, just stand in front of these protestors on the lawn and take their pictures and be obnoxious. Have a civil stand off with them.

W&M

9:46 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

I really don't understand what the SEA is hoping to accomplish. Tactics like this will only appeal to the base that already supports them...they're preaching to the choir.

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What About Our Kids ??

9:49 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Big Trace and her Band of Thugs can protest all they want, I've only ran into 2 people who voiced their support for the teachers since the strike began. Sad.

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Lynne

9:50 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

So, let me get this straight. The teachers are actively recruiting SUBS from neighboring communities to hold "candlelight vigils" for the times that they are unavailable (since teachers cannot work past 4:30 or on Fridays or the weekends).

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Kim L

10:04 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

this makes no sense ??????? why do they need other teachers to fill in at candle light vigils after 5pm ????? the strikers only amounted to 7-8 at most today

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tom m

10:25 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Kim someone from the OEA must have got a hold of Norma Rae linscott ..... and told her to quit using strongsville teachers for their acts of civil disobedience .........

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Michael McNamee

3:00 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

No, you do not have that straight. These are not "subs" of any kind, but supporters.

Richard

9:52 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Odds in Vegas are the strikers will settle next Friday, March 24

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Tracy Smith

10:23 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

they need to wait till after spring break

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lyn

8:10 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Give them nothing.

After what these teachers have put the students, families and city through - make them stay out over Easter/spring break.

Why reward them with a paycheck over a week off?

Tad Taderson

9:54 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

5:3...Bellagio is heavily leaning on it.

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What About Our Kids ??

9:58 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Maybe the Board Members could obtain water cannons in order to get the annoying strikers (whoever this group is made up of, as they obviously are a hodge podge of goofballs from all over NE Ohio now) away from their property???

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terry

9:59 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

This is so wrong I have never heard of anything like this. They have made this beyond personal these board members have shown more restraint than I could ever hope to show. What reasonable person could do this. What can we do to help these people.

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muraskiparent

10:43 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Terry,
You asked, "What can we do to help these people?" I'll draw the conclusion that you were sincerely interested in helping the schoolteachers who not only teach our children every day, but are also our friends and neighbors. Terry--encourage support of our children's teachers and {in the interest of strike resolution} put a bit more pressure on Mr. Frazee and the rest of our community-elected-BOE to return to negotiations, present a fair contract and go into negotiations realizing that both sides will have to engage in a give-and-take and COMPROMISE.

Rich

10:18 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

I get more annoyed every minute just thinking if these idiots were outside my house ... Mr Naso should of called the police and had them politely removed from his property ... This stunt again .. steps way over the line.

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C

10:23 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

WWJD Pope Francis pray for us

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What About Our Kids ??

10:23 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

This just in . . . Big Trace called the police.... someone drove past her house and she thinks they're following her. She ran around her house and when she looked out the window... they were gone. She lost them.

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Rich

10:26 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Medina teachers approved a contract today. I haven't seen it but I will give the same one to our teachers right now as it has to be better for us taxpayers in the long run

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StrongsvilleMother

10:30 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Hey Rich, From what I have heard, the Medina agreement includes no pay increase, the teachers contribution to the health benefits increases from 17.5% to 20%. The high school teachers agreed to teach 6 classes instead of 5. That is some of what I read. Not sure about anything else.

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lyn

8:12 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Our teachers want to work less -they would NOT go for the Medina contract!

Rich

10:30 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

6303 Acres Dr. Brecksville OH. 44131. Mail their propaganda back to them at TL's house

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Rich

10:38 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

I make a better pork roast but then that might be considered cannibalstic at your house

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lyn's double chin

10:42 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

lyn only feeds me every 15 minutes... I NEED MOAR!!!!

Lenny

11:06 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

I hope the BOE takes less and less away in the contract every time they get together. This will show them the BOE is not going to stand for their bullying.

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Danny Green

11:03 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Send emails to the Board and Krupinski, asking them to please not move off of their "Best and Final" position. Once the HS gets through the OGT's this week, the expect things to start returning to more of a normal schedule. They will be close to having a substitute teacher for most classrooms. Stay the course, and be patient, we can wait the union out until they cave to our demands.

Lenny

11:10 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

I agree with Richard about settlement next week, they work one day next week that means they will most likely get paid for spring break week..hope the BOE holds out all next week so they don't get paid because I'm sure a lot of them have spring break vacations planned.

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jabace

11:27 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

If these idiots protested outside of my house I would set up my sprinklers turn them on and soak my treelawn and sidewalk

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Scott

11:50 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013

I wish the union would read these comments and the similar ones on cleveland,com. I keep going on their Facebook page and telling them the public is strongly against them and with each stunt they pull they look worse. They keep saying I'm a "hater" and the community is behind them. They think they have like 97% support. They are delusional. It's ridiculous. They have no idea what they are doing.

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Kim L

12:13 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

my favorite section is the urging of all the area teachers to attend that strickland rally last week

"I am counting on all of us to be present at the rally tomorrow in Strongsville and would ask you to encourage the locals in your unit to be present. It will probably not start at 4:00 pm on the dot and certainly will not be over with by 5:00 pm "

so with ALL the area teachers along with the strongsville teachers they managed a whopping 350 supporters

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Kim L

12:47 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

really eastlake teachers supporting strikers

EASTLAKE -- The Willoughby-Eastlake School Board has accepted the resignation of Eastlake North High School social studies teacher Ryan Tyna.
The board had put Tyna, 42, of Hudson, on leave Feb. 25 after Willoughby police arrested him and 11 others in a PROSTITUTION sting

http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/288916/3/Willoughby-Eastlake-teacher-resigns-amid-investigation

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lyn

7:59 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Perfect example of why they need to do thorough background checks,with fingerprinting, of any and all teachers if they return.
They should be treated no different than the subs - do a check so we can feel assured that our kids are in safe hands!

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StrongDad

8:21 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

The letter to the editor included in the Eastlake propaganda and sent to the PD is from a family member of a librarian at Albion middle school and Mrs. Langlais is paid $70,000. Really? A librarian gets paid $70,000?????

FunFacts

12:09 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Tracey Linscott
Home (216) 328-1920
6303 Acres Dr
Independence, OH 44131-4961

Please submit your feedback by calling or writing to her - DO NOT ASSEMBLE IN FRONT OF HER HOUSE!!!

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Joe Fabeats

8:10 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Nice digs, Per Zillo.com:

Zestimate®: $438,619
Rent Zestimate®: $2,766/mo
Est. Mortgage: $1,588/mo
Beds: 4
Baths: 3.5
Sqft: 3,520
Lot: 29,810

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John Motley

11:38 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Why can't we peacefully assemble? I don't get it.

Kim L

12:19 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

westlake teachers contract 1/2013

The deal provides no increases on base salary for the first six months of 2013, followed by a 2.5 percent decrease on base for the remainder of the contract.

Healthcare contributions also will increase by 50 percent for teachers, along with a 33 percent increase in drug co-pays.

The minimum experience credit for new hires will drop to five years from 10. Effective with the 2013-2014 school year, teachers will work an additional three days in professional development with no additional compensation.

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Kim L

12:25 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Avon Lake teachers union accepts district’s offer for no raises, step increases
Filed by bwroten January 11th, 2013
would mean a continuation of the current contract with no raises or step increases for the next two years.

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Kim L

12:26 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Medina contract
Highlights of the contract include no pay increases, though longevity steps will remain; an increase in teachers' contribution to their health care from 17.5 percent to 20 percent; and an agreement that high school teachers will teach six periods instead of five.

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Kim L

12:32 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

lakewood contract 2013-2014
Teachers accepted a 0 percent base pay increase in 2013-2014; they’ll pay 5 percent more for health care beginning in 2012-2013; and participate in a retirement incentive program in 2013-2014, according to a press release.

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Kim L

1:04 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

and lets not forget Brecksville broadview hts

The unions agreed to maintain the current salary schedule for 2012-13, 2013-14 and 2014-15 with steps frozen and not restored in the future. An optional fourth year (2015-16) also calls for freezing the current salary schedule with steps frozen and not restored.

An eight-hour teacher workday replaces the current teacher day. This item will provide flexibility to serve student needs now and in the future.

unions' employees will contribute 15 percent of premium costs for health and dental insurance and prescription drugs.

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lyn

8:16 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Oh - and they hate that the Brecksville Board used the same attorney that we have been using.

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William Hendershot

8:48 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Thank you for all this great data, Kim. it appears Scille just doesn't want to go along with the reality of the times.

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golf77

11:35 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Great information Kim, thank you
The facts speak it, it just goes to show, what many of us have been saying all along and appears the Strongsville teachers can't face reality!!!

JIm

6:31 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Lower the offer ten percent across the board.. Next month.. Do the same. Strike over... They move on, we rebuild. Anyone see the news? Reporting the strike has COST over 200k in week one... We know its way more than that... But did not mention the far greater amount SAVED!! Be fair media!

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terry

7:12 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Stop the insanity. Start hiring as many subs as you can to stay on permanently !!! Enough is enough

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John Strong

7:35 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

am confused:::
Where are the Strongsville police.........
Why do they let them yell and intimidate the subs....
How can these union bully’s stand out front of the board members house.......
Are the police afraid of them .........
ARE THERE NO LAWS BEING BROKEN

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John Strong

7:37 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Attention Strongsville Police..
I can not belive they are not breaking any laws....
If we as a community went outside of Tracy's house we would be told to leave....
I bet if I started yelling at the teachers on there picket line I would be removed...
Anyone have answers... or suggestions
What can we do?

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kenneth malady

7:41 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

This may be the most ignorant comment i've ever read on here !!! You are insinuating that the Strongsville Police aren't doing their jobs ? No matter their views on this subject they are there to protect the community and uphold the law!! If laws are being broken you can be sure they will do their duty !! I saw them on TV standing between the protesters and the strikers and made sure BOTH were protected !! Next time check with your attorney or the law director before making such assinie statements !! By the way - that is my real name - I was a resident of Strongsville for 20 yrs - i'm a retired postal worker - and i'm not afraid to let people know who I am - unlike many who hide behind screen names and stir the pot of hate !!! Also, check your facts - both sides put out disinformation so dig a little instead of saying " you know what I heard? " In the end, the only people who will profit from this will be the ATTORNEYS !!!!!

golf77

8:11 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Well, Well; if what is coming out of Medina Schools is true and it appears it is from all reports: the teachers union agreed to a pay freeze, an increase in pay for insurance costs and to take on an extra class/period. This has been what has been talked about all long. I don't care if you are for or against, the bottom line is, available funds, which has been said numerous times, but it appears "Educators" can't seem to grasp that area of economics. So if the reports are true and money is limited in our school district and the State Auditor agreed, than guess what teachers, there just isn't the available monies at this time. Oh, by the way, the Medina Schools are putting on a 5.9 levy to raise additional funds and it is not ear marked for teachers salaries, it is to keep the schools in the "Black" and avoid laying off employees!!! The citzens of Strongsville in the past year and half passed a 6 mill levy and a bond issue(really another levy). So please, don't go telling me the people of Strongsville don't care.
It just appears not only the SEA doesn't get it, but the OEA. I thought this strike was about the Strongsville BOE and the SEA. What, the SEA can't stand on their own two feet. I have to say, even though we have our rights; but if you are not a Strongsville teacher, employee, BOE member or a citzen of Strongsville, what gives you the right to picket in front of people's private homes if you are not from around here. Take your money OEA and help your teachers!!!!

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terry

8:12 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I will be at the rally at 3 lets get the word out. Lets get behind it. Ps I dare you to get in my face.

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What About Our Kids ??

8:26 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

So when is the rally? I've heard from 3 - 7? If that's the case, it sure doesn't boad well for having a large crowd all gathered at once? Why not have it from 6 - 7 so people who work can attend?

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Richard

10:33 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I'm with you on this one. We need 1,000 people there all at once. That will send a nice message!

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golf77

11:38 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I agree, I think more of use would be available after 5:00, due to the fact that we have to "Work"!!!

lyn

8:30 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

What idiot in the OEA got together with dimwit Tracy and thought this community would launch their campaign to shoot down any future SB5 replacement?
A person of even average intelligence would have known better than to pick Strongsville as an example of underpaid teachers working in deplorable working conditions. IT IS NOT!

Why go where teachers have it good already and then expect even more? You'll get no sympathy from anywhere in the state and you defeat your cause just as you get started. Best to hang it up while you're this far behind. Just how much do you plan on being defeated with this strategy???

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Jean Williams

8:50 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

lyn you are correct , they should stop this why they are behind, as bad of a PR stunt the standing in front of school board members houses was last time was, but to recruit EASTLAKE teachers to help
http://weta.ohea.us/?page_id=443

especially after eastlake teachers have just had teachers busted in that prostitution ring
http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/288916/3/Willoughby-Eastlake-teacher-resigns-amid-investigation

WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE IS TRACY LINSCOTT BRINGING TO OUR CITY

Not NormaRae

8:33 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

How about we move the rally to Linscott's huge house in Independence?

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What About Our Kids ??

8:46 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

If I can't make the rally I'll most likely grab some friends from Strongsville, call some of my friends from Sandusky, Huron and Oak Harbor, and we can all go to Big Trace's House in Independence to voice our displeasure. It's time to let Big Trace taste a little bit of her own medicine. The more I see and hear this goofball, the more I honestly feel bad for the teachers she's charged with leading. What an absolute train wreck.

lyn

8:43 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Remember when they blasted Noriega in Panama with loud music until he surrendered?

Maybe next time these teachers show up at someones house, the Board members should set up some tables and put whatever and as many radios, boomboxes,...that might still be laying around and set them all on different stations and play them right in front of these idiot teachers.

Then, get out there with your phones and cameras and take pictures of each and everyone of these teachers. Make it one of those real nice closeups where the nose and chins look huge and you can see up their nostrils.

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StrongsvilleMother

8:49 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

We need to show the BOE that they have our support. I ask each of you to please consider showing up Friday and showing support for our kids, schools and the BOE. I know that some of you might be concerned because of the teachers andhow it will affect your children. The thing to remember is that our teachers had no problem getting in our face with their demands as they picket at our schools. Tracy has been telling our teachers they have the support of the community. WE need to prove her wrong and show those outside of Strongsville how much support the BOE has. Please talk with your neighbors, friends and coworkers. We need to get the message out. It is easy to come here and post about our support. It is time now to show it.

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Jean Williams

9:03 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

rallys are silly you get a bunch of people together the news crew always seems to focus on the idiot dressed as superman and the screaming match between the two different viewed supporters (often carefully edited)
my opinion is the PR battle is already 99% against the teachers, so why return the favor. the BOE already knows they have my support I have called and emailed them to tell that I stand behind them completely

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Ken McEntee

9:14 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I could not agree more Jean Williams.

I appreciate what the rally organizers are doing. But as you wrote, personally emailing board members and administrators will let them know they have your support.

I personally think people who do not support the strikers should ignore them and don't do anything to give them the media attention they want. The picket lines are getting smaller and less enthusiastic. Every attempt the strikers make to generate support and publicity turns into a PR disaster for them. The hole keeps getting deeper. I say let them continue to be their own worst enemies. They are doing a superb job of it.

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Ken McEntee

9:26 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

By the way, I'm not suggesting that people not attend the rally. If you're going to hold the rally, get as many people as possible. If four people show up it will be embarrassing and an encouragement to the strikers. But I wouldn't make a habit of doing this. As long as the board hold its ground, the less attention the strikers get, the better. Just my opinion.

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jw93

12:43 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Totally agree with Ken. The rally's already in motion, so go ahead with it and I hope you get as many people as possible. But if I was locked in a cell and screaming to get out, I'd rather hear someone yell, "Hey, shut up in there!" than hear nothing at all. Tell the board you support them and then show absolute indifference to the strikers and these creepy, recruited gatherers. It is demoralizing to stand around in the cold and get the distinct feeling that no one really cares, that you are irrelevant and invisible and doing it for nothing.

Strongsville School Mom

8:50 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I think we should start filming them everytime they do this.

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What About Our Kids ??

10:29 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I'm not worried about any of the teachers (especially the one who was arrested - the same one who was verbally assaulting people in front of City Hall) invading my personal space or approaching me. Police Grade mace shuts idiots up like them very quickly :)

Strongsville School Mom

8:54 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Also everyone needs to call the news media and report this so our side can be heard. Channel 3 seems to be one-sided unfortunately but the more we call the more they just might report it. I am talking about them walking the BOE houses.

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lyn

8:56 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Jean-
And they were soooo.. concerned about the subs coming in here.
You are right - We should all be concerned about these teachers the OEA and big mama Tracy is bringing in from other cities, and into our neighborhoods. How many times do we hear about teachers getting arrested for this or that? Do we really want a bunch of strangers hanging around in our developments - who is going to be with them, pretending to be a teacher? This is BAD NEWS!!!

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lyn

8:58 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

And, Board members - YES-
I think that grass by your sidewalk does look like it needs a good watering - turn the sprinklers on!!!

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lyn

9:03 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

If the homeowners and their families perceive these people as a threat and are in fear as the crowd congregates outside of these homes, in front of these homes - isn't that good enough for the police to get rid of these people??? There has been a pattern of escalating mob action among them, so why shouldn't there be concern???

ANYONE???
Can't the police do something for the homeowners who are feeling terrorized?

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Jean Williams

9:07 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

what is the cities loitering law

lyn

9:07 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Ken-
And how are the teachers going to handle the kids that decide to get up and just leave the class and school as the kids are doing now? Will Mrs. X be okay with Billy and Susie getting up after 10 minutes and saying "see ya!"

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StrongsvilleMother

9:11 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Jean, I disagree with your regarding the news coverage being 99% agaisnt the teachers. If you watch even the local news channels they make it appear that the teachers have unwaivering support of the Community. I am not a rally person myself but will show up for this cause. I, too, have called the Board and emailed. I think the bigger issue is showing the teachers that they made a mistake in assuming the parents would be supportive regardless of their proposals. These types of strikes are won or lost in the media, whether we like it or not. I am also not encouraging bad behavior. Just think about it. I hope you change your mind and I see you there.

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StrongsvilleMother

10:07 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Jean, ......my opinion is the PR battle is already 99% against the teachers, so why return the favor. the BOE already knows they have my support I have called and emailed them to tell that I stand behind them completely.

Look, you are I agree! I am just saying that sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. That is all.

lyn

9:12 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Jean-
From what I've heard, the police are "with them in spirit" at the schools, but doing what they have to do.
So, does that mean that away from the schools, in front of peoples homes, especially the BOE's, that they are allowing actions that might otherwise not be allowed?

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Justaguy

9:48 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

It is not illegal to protest in front of someones house as long as you stay on public property (sidewalk). As despicable as it is, they have the right to do it under the first amendment. People have the right to act like a jacka-- if they want to.

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lyn

10:06 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

It is just as legal to sprinkle your tree lawn or take pictures or play music.
But it is not legal to threaten people - the question for the police is, if the people in the house FEEL threatened, is that sufficient to get rid of this group? They have shown a pattern of mob like behavior.

And as Jean asked - what about loitering???

Do you have any concern about any of those recent people who have attempted to get some of our kids in their cars pretending to be part of this and mingle in with the groups gathering in the neighborhoods? Are you comfortable with strangers from other areas hanging out around your home? If so, what is your address?

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What About Our Kids ??

2:50 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I've always supported the police, BUT - they should have controlled the situation outside of City Hall. Barriers should have been set up and placed a safe distance from those entering City Hall. That was BS.

mojo9159

9:23 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Concerned Citizens and Parents! Lets start our own negotiation with the teachers. How about, complete amnesty to any teacher who crosses the picket line Friday morning and reports to his/her classroom. They accept the terms of the BOE's offer and we back to the business of education in Strongsville. Otherwise, move forward with hiring new teachers to finish this year along with a contract for 2013-14

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Frank Dreban

9:27 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Notice that whenever there is a story on the teacher's union doing things like this, none of their supporters show up here to comment? They swarm all over comments regarding pay, levies, fair wage, etc., but don't want to touch this with a 10' pole. I know if I screw something up or do something that is wrong and know it, the last thing I want to do is try to defend it or engage in conversation about it. So I think it's pretty obvious they well know this is a terrible tactic being continually used now and there really isn't anyway to defend the action. They would rather spend their time beating the drum of "we deserve more" to anyone willing to listen, which after behavior like this, shouldn't be very many folks outside their own union.

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Marge Meall

9:48 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I live in Strongsville and totally support the teachers. They have a right to peacefully protest. The board could avoid all of this if THEY would quit bullying the teachers and GET BACK TO THE BARGAINING TABLE.

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Justaguy

9:51 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

So, you want the board to spend more of YOUR money! Puiblic unions are a disaster. These teachers are lucky that Kasich tried to include the cops and firemen in SB5. If he would have just made it teachers unions like they did in Wisconsin we would not have this problem.

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lyn

9:58 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

They were at the bargaining table, but there is a point where you have reached as far down into the well as you can and say that is all I can do for you.

Picture negotiating for a car. You know you will pay X for it because that is all you can afford and are willing to pay. But you start lower, and during the negotiating process, you work towards X, and then when you offer X and its not accepted, you, leave - right? You have offered your last best offer and there is nothing more you can do.
That is where the Board is at.

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lyn

10:00 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Mrs. Marge Meall-
Is that the name for today?
Not Mrs. Small Meal?

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lyn

10:28 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Justaguy-
You are so right on that.

And this is the very reason that Tracy and the OEA are working so hard against all rational thinking and at the sacrifice of Strongsville and its teachers. Tracy will have a job somewhere else -the OEA will see to it - but little does she care about the rest of them.

The OEA knows that SB5 will be replaced soon and they are scrambling with what little they have to stop it - using our city as the first and example for the rest of the state.

Joke is on them - wrong city to try it in.

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Strongsville School Mom

10:29 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I just can't support their cause anymore. Peacefully is a stretched word being used here. They do have their rights of free speech as does everyone else who might not agree with them. After carefully looking over what they are asking for I just can't agree. After what some have done to their students and classrooms I have no tolerance or respect for that at all. Just like 0 tollerance for the kids we as parents should not let this rest. I have let the board know and the principles know of their teachers actions. Taking down hallway stuff is not right. Most of this stuff is not theirs. Taking Smart board markers is which is not theirs. Isn't that stealing? If our child were to do this what reprocussions would they be facing?

Richard

10:42 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

FWIW I heard, (so, yes, this is hearsay) from a high school insider that several students have approached the principal and asked if 2 specific teachers could be hired into permanent positions. Speaks well of the students for recognizing it, and the teachers for being professional. (IMHO)

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Sad Citizen

10:42 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Rich, you don't know what you speak of. The deal the Medina teacher took is very similar to the concessions Strongsville teachers made two contracts ago. Stromgsville teachers would live to have that contract.

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Sad Citizen

10:45 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Frank, I'm here to support the teachers. Sorry, got a job, can't be here every minute of every day.

If you need so egging answered all answer it.

What is the bottom line folks? As much as you may wish to you can't replace these teachers. A deal will have to be reached at done point. The first step in reaching that deal is for the board to return to negotiations.

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lyn

11:06 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Again-
They were at the bargaining table, but there is a point where you have reached as far down into the well as you can and say that is all I can do for you.

Picture negotiating for a car. You know you will pay X for it because that is all you can afford and are willing to pay. But you start lower, and during the negotiating process, you work towards X, and then when you offer X and its not accepted, you, leave - right? You have offered your last best offer and there is nothing more you can do.
That is where the Board is at.

The only thing left for them to come back for its that thing Tracy to say we accept.

Sad Citizen

10:47 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Mojo, you cannot by law hire new teachers. Also, until the RIF issue is settled teachers will not return. RIF rule changes don't cost anything by the way.

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lyn

11:07 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

What prevents them from hiring replacement teachers? Certainly not the NLRB! It clearly states it can be done!

Sad Citizen

10:49 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Lyn, again you don't know of what you speak. Not all of the issues are related to money. The RIF/seniority rule changes the board wants are a big reason for the strike. Doing those the teachers way or finding a compromise will not cost the board any more $.

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lyn

11:10 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

saying
WE'RE
WORTH
IT
means money

And what is wrong with being judged on performance like most people? That is how you keep the best of the best - not by protecting those who have worked the longest. I wouldn't agree with that.

Sad Citizen

10:51 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Lyn, the police better not get involved against the teachers. There union has sucked tid community dry with its big raises for six years. The police ought to stand with the teachers until the teachers get the same big raises.

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lyn

11:01 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

The police have a duty to uphold the law - regardless of their feelings.

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jw93

12:50 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Fascinating insight into your state of mind, Sad. The teachers aren't about the kids, the cops aren't about the citizens - I suppose the firefighters should let the city burn when they feel unappreciated, too. What a typical, entitled, public union mindset.

SvilleRes

10:52 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Lyn, that is what I cannot wrap my brain around. Of all the places, what union in their right mind, with even half a brain, would pick Sville as the test market. Setting aside our teachers being in the high bracket for earnings/benefits, there is a reason McCain, Palin, Romney and Paul always came HERE, to Strongsville, when coming to Cleveland. Sure this community has always supported the teachers and schools historically, but when the economy is down and the nation is so divided politically, who in their right mind would think this Republican hotbed would be the place to flex your union muscle in an effort to challenge SB 5, when on top of that this particular union already has such a good deal that it really doesn't have anything to cry about (and thus the other unions are staying away from it even). I can't see any higher up looking at this and thinking it would be a good idea on any level. I don't see one single thing that comes down in their favor when I analyze it, for a reason to strike now, in Strongsville, under these contract terms, in this economy, with SB 5 threats lingering in the background.

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lyn

11:01 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I guess that means they have less than half a brain!

Sad Citizen

10:53 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Gol77, don't gloat about the Medina package our teacher made those concessions two contracts ago.

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lyn

11:03 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Gee, Sad one, I guess that means Strongsville teachers are still ahead if you are comparing to 2 contracts ago!
So -- I guess things should remain status quo money wise according to you for the next 2 contracts. Except lets have our teachers also teach 6 periods.

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Justaguy

11:08 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

The private sector has been making concessions and forgoing raises for a long time. These teachers are being greedy with taxpayer money. They had a choice to go to binding arbitration or strike. They chose poorly.

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golf77

11:54 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Sad Citzen, you should learn how to read something first before you jump on everyone else, you come off as an idiot. I wasn't gloating and I don't care if it is similar to another contract. The fact is, the Medina Teachers realize the reality of "today" and it appears the Strongsville Teachers( and my feeling is, it is more of the Union heads than the teachers) haven't. Get your facts "Sad Person", if the money is not there(don't tell me about the other issues), it is not there period.!!!

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jw93

12:54 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Really? The SEA is willing to accept the 6 periods of teaching at the high school? Sounds like that's one of their whining points - they want their extra study hall back. SEA teachers are paying 20% of their health care benefits? And what exactly is the pension pick up for Medina compared to Strongsville? I wonder if Medina teachers get longevity bonuses. Or bonuses for having more than 23 kids in a class.
Medina just accepted a lesser offer than the one being offered by the Strongsville BOE. It's plain to anyone who can do math.

jabace

11:22 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Hey teachers, it is almost lunch time. You better go belly up for some free pizza cause we all know you do not want to pay for anything with your own money.

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Sad Citizen

11:23 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Lyn, no, you don't understand. They are behind. They have all that up two contracts ago, and then more the last contract and are being ask for more this time.

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lyn

11:31 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

You don't understand - the teachers have been getting way too much for way too long.
This called catch up time - the pendulum is swinging back to where it should be.

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jw93

1:00 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Sad, no comment about the earlier Ohio Dept of Education and Dept of Taxation data? I'll summarize in case you missed it.
SEA teacher median pay increased 39% over the last decade.
Strongsville resident median pay increased 10% over the last decade.
SEA teacher median pay is now 43% higher than median pay of Strongsville resident.
Note that doesn't include absurd benefits like no-risk, fully paid for pensions, cheap and capped Cadillac health insurance, two weeks at Christmas, a week at Easter, 11 weeks in the summer, tenure, automatic raises just for showing up another year, and automatic pay increases for acquiring an advanced degree . . .
Any comments on all of that? You seem to be more of a numbers person than some of the other union supporters so I'm interested in what you think about the startling disparity between public teachers' compensation and those that pay their salaries.

jabace

11:25 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

These morons will end the strike and go back to work on Friday of next week so they get paid for their spring break. Anyone agree or disagree?

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lyn

11:34 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

That's only if they agree to the contract as is - no change - none! Because I for one do NOT want to see them rewarded for their behavior with a check during spring break. Actually, if I were the Board, if there was a way to not accept it until Tuesday after break, I'd wait until then.

Sad Citizen

11:26 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

The Stringsville teachers have made concessions for 7 years. They clearly understand concessions are necessary. Why does Strongsville only cry poor on the teachers? Police and Fire Unions got avg 2% raises every year for 6 years, no one asked them to make concessions. Strongsville put up a quarter million dollar like of bricks by the highway. Etc, etc.

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lyn

11:30 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Concessions would mean that if you look at their salaries, you would not see these huge increase. Nice try.
Just cuz you say it doesn't make it so.

You call it a step or column move - the rest of the world sees someone getting more money as a raise.

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lyn

11:35 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I guess you have your answer - its what the market, this city, feels each is worth.

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lyn

11:37 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

As for the brick wall - I don't think you can find many whom support that. I even agree with you on that.

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Frazee's Brain

11:45 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Because most of the people on here believe teaching isn't real work. Firefighters get 20 days off on average a month as a result of their 24-hour schedules. They don't get paid for planning, but they do get paid to sleep and work out and go shopping at Walmart. I respect the hell out of firefighters, but there is a double-standard at work here. I have several cop friends and I respect what they do as well. However, no one complains about the overtime they can work and how that can be abused. Teachers also don't get overtime, but work many hours above and beyond the work day each week. Police, fire and education are vital to a thriving community. Unfortunately, misconceptions and lies have forced many in this town to turn on the teachers. I just hope the district doesn't end of balancing their budget on the backs of the teachers.

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lyn

11:58 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

If your family is inside a burning home and needs rescued, just answer then how valued you think they are. And then put a dollar value on each family members life that was saved. And, while you are at it - those that are shopping for groceries, not at Walmart, or sleeping waiting for that fire call, - are you willing to trade places with them and run into save a complete stranger or someone's empty house or dog inside? They are paid for those few times that they DO perform the heroic deeds - IDIOT!

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golf77

11:59 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Sad Person, you are like the SEA and OEA, fishing, grasping for anything and avoiding the facts/issues. This teacher's strike is not about the police, fire or the sign on I-71. It is about bringing "balance" to a system based on "current" economic times.!!!

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lyn

11:59 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

That last comment was for Candid

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Rich

12:34 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

The sign ( albeit an expensive and ugly one ) has nothing to do with funds available for the schools. They are totally different Budgets and pools of funds for City expenditures vs school expenditures .... so please stop making that ridiculous argument. Next you are asking them them to cut back on salting the streets so there is more dollars for the schools.

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jw93

1:04 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Please stop the parlor trick of comparing teacher pay with firefighters and police. Totally different jobs, utterly irrelevant. A true comparison is private school teachers' pay and compensation in this area versus public union teachers. One of those groups has a cost of labor that is determined by competition and the free market. The other has a cost of labor determined by a government monopoly. Feel free to take a guess which group is making out like a bandit.
Compensate the public teachers like the private teachers and be done with it. You okay with that, Sad? If not, why not? Are the private school teachers somehow inferior?

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golf77

2:52 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Again, CandidResident, you just don't get it. We are not here comparing jobs to the teachers, because that is just plain idiotic. Also, no body said the teacher's jobs are not difficult or important. What has been said numerous times, is there is not enough available funds during these current economic times. It is evident that Medina Teachers and other schools systems(posted earlier) understand that. As long as the SEA and OEA don't grasp this basic economic principle, than I have a very good feeling the Teachers and their substitute pickers will be walking the line for awhile, Sorry!!!! (Stay Strong BOE!!!)

jabace

11:36 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

But boss I just got my masters, you know what he would say to me? Good for you maybe we will get a cake for you this week.

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lyn

11:39 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Yeah - like that episode of Seinfeld.
Where Elaine worked - they celebrated everything.
Oh who got their 6 credit hours - lets get cake!!

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Frazee's Brain

1:39 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

So, because your job doesn't require any sort of real educational background and other do, you think every other profession should be the same? Having to pull money from your own pocket to achieve an advance degree just to keep your job is hard. It's not their choice to get that degree, it's required.

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lyn

1:48 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Candid-As of 2010 they do not need a masters. It is their choice and gives them that bump in pay to get it - and if you ever talk to a teacher they say that is why they do it.

jabace

11:44 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

A few things I have learned in my 20 years of work experience is you are replaceable, the job will still get done, and nobody gives a crap when you leave.

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midfan

11:45 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I certainly would not compare a teacher to fireman/policeman. Those 2 jobs have dangers that a teacher will never even begin to deal with. Go ride along w/cleveland police or fireman and see what they deal with every day (even Cleveland teachers). These strongsville teachers have no idea what a great deal they have!!

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jabace

11:48 am on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Not to mention cops and firemen work 12 months a year, and most make less than these teachers making 80,000 to teach elementary school. Sickening!

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Frazee's Brain

1:35 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

You don't have to be a Tea Party member to know that police and fire jobs are more dangerous than teaching. However, these teachers spend more time with your kids than you do during the school year. They are all degreed, most with more than a bachelors. There is no requirement for police and fire to have a degree, though some do. Since our family moved to Strongsville more than a decade ago, I've interacted with the police one time. Firefighters, also one time. The teachers, my family deals with daily during the school year. You'd think that the people you entrust your children to on a daily basis would have a much higher ranking. Very sad.

C

12:00 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

They have tried to replace the teachers. And the job is most definitely not getting done. Ask the honor students who now have zero homework. Everyone, back to the table. End this complete and utter nonsense.

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Frazee's Brain

1:24 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

But, it's business as usual. Everything's running smoothly with the OGTs too. Krupinski must have authorized the use of cell phones for the tests. Passing out worksheets and running library and gym time all morning isn't exactly what I call a real education. That's what's happening this week, not day one.

Sad Citizen

12:03 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Lyn, just cause you say it doesn't make it so. In my case the contracts don't lie.

Take Medina. They get no raise, they get step and column. So they will get more money next year.

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Sad Citizen

12:03 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Teaching isn't dangerous? Cough, Sandyhook...

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Rich

12:39 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

While those are extreme examples and very sad ones for those impacted ...it should not automatically elevate teachers into some hazardous pay classification .... ridiculous argument. How about the mailman who get bitten by the neighborhood dog or the steelworker who could have a crane fall on them. There are hazards to every occupation ....

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lyn

12:41 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Hey Sad one-

What about
http://nj1015.com/shots-fired-at-mall-near-portland-oregon/
So, since gunmen shoot up a mall, we should pay store clerks $60,000

And lets pay those movie workers that also, after all - look at the Colorado shooting

Hey, don't forget about all those shootings in fast food places - they can also get $60,000 now.

IDIOT

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jw93

1:11 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Truly pathetic, Sad. Let's reference every shooting incident in the last decade and add whatever workplaces were in the vicinity into the category of dangerous occupations. I guess everyone who works in a movie theater should get combat pay after that loon shot up the Batman screening in Colorado.
I'm sure the parents of the victims at Sandyhook would appreciate you citing them as an example as to why teachers need step raises, cheap health insurance, free pensions, and longevity bonuses.

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strongsville mother of 3

1:35 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

What about the Walmart workers who had a gun pulled on them because they refused to take a coupon. Maybe they should earn more than $60000 a year.

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golf77

2:57 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Sad Citizen, now that was a moronic statement. That situation can happen anywhere and it was sad it happen there. Have some class if you are going to post!!!

Sad Citizen

12:06 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Firemen work one day on two days off. Police and fire have very similar pay scales to teachers, plus they get overtime which teachers do not.

Everyone saying the city is broke and unions must make concessions who was not protesting and complaining about the police and fire union raises is a hypocrite.

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lyn

12:43 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Who said the city is broke?

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jw93

1:12 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Still comparing 3 jobs that have absolutely no similarities with the exception that they are publicly unionized. Strongsville public teachers and Strongsville private teachers - let's get to things that are actually relevant.

jabace

12:09 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Still waiting to hear one specific way the teachers have not been treated fairly.

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lyn

12:44 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

NO ONE EVER answers that question - there is no answer.

StrongsvilleMother

12:11 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Sad, you are a joke to even imply that teaching in our classrooms is as dangerous as being a cop or fireman. The more you post, the less credibility you have. How many violent crimes have been committed in Strongsville in our classrooms? The doors are locked during the day and we all know they are not in the classrooms after the last bus pulls away so that there is no risk then. You are getting desperate and it is showing.

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Sad Citizen

12:12 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

It's just as much about a city wasting money left and right and them crying poor and blaming teachers after the teachers made concessions for 7 years. If you don't have money for a school system you shouldn't have a fancy sign. If the issue is unions need to compromise, why no respect for years of compromise by the teachers? Why no demand of compromise from the other city unions.

Maybe as a community we bed to just say a) we hate teachers. b) we really are not capable or qualified to Tim a school system.

Let's just forget it and have the state take over.

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lyn

12:35 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Get over it - we value the police and fire more.

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lyn

12:36 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

The state will take over if you give the teachers what they want - don't you people get it?

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Rich

12:42 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Sad & Candid ... Again ....The sign ( albeit an expensive and ugly one ) has nothing to do with funds available for the schools. They are totally different Budgets and pools of funds for City expenditures vs school expenditures .... so please stop making that ridiculous argument. Next you are asking them them to cut back on salting the streets so there is more dollars for the schools.

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StrongsvilleMother

12:52 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Rich, you can repeat yourself a thousand times. Facts do not register with Candid or Sad. Watch it, though, they may start calling you names. Usually starts to happen about now.

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Frazee's Brain

1:14 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Lyn - The trouble is that you and your cronies don't value the school teachers at all.

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jw93

1:17 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Private school teachers are eminently qualified. How can they survive under such inferior pay and benefit conditions compared with their public counterparts?
Fancy sign, blah, blah, blah. Just like pointing to CEO pay as to why we need to increase taxes on successful people. More sleight of hand, more parlor tricks, more nonsense. Comparing to police - utterly and completely irrelevant. There is no private alternative for police - we actually need the government to provide us a police force. The same cannot be said for public education.

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lyn

1:28 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Candid-
The problem is I value some teachers - but those here I no longer have much if any respect for.
And I have a different idea of what teachers should be paid - which is less than they are now paid, in anticipation of your question.

Sad Citizen

12:15 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Lyn, what you call it doesn't matted, it's what the contract calls it. Medina kept their step increases. SEA gave those up last contract with a promise from the board to have them returned this contract. The board ish trying to break that promise.

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lyn

12:34 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Promise?
Why did they go into talks last time for 8 months? And if there was something that they wanted to hold the BOE to, why wasn't it in the contract? Quit with the promise talk. Maybe I don't believe you! Where is it in writing?
You guys sound like a little kid, but you promised.

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Rich

12:59 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Sad ... Promise ? I keep hearing that over and over .... were any of you in the room when that was mentioned? ... is it documented anywhere and legal contract ?? I suspect it was more a matter of lets agree on this now ( ie steps ) and we can " revisit " the situation for the next round of discussion. That doesn't in any way cement in law a binding obilgation of the current Board . Things have changed ... I am sure cost assumptions have gone up , revenue projections have certainly gone down etc. etc . In the private sector that point would go nowhere and would be laughed at quite honestly .... My response would be " That was then ... this is now. " End of discussion.

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Frazee's Brain

1:06 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I suppose the promise was null and void once they started giving all those salary increases and bonuses to the administrators the past four years.

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lyn

1:08 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Rich- I think you said that very well.

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lyn

1:10 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Candid -
Be specific so we can see what increases individuals received. Don't just make a blanket statement.
State MR. X made $$$$ now makes $$$$

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jw93

1:22 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

There is no proof of such a promise, just you and the other union supporters constantly repeating it. If there was such a promise, shame on the SEA for buying it. The people making the alleged promise were not even guaranteed to be in those board seats by the time the next contract rolled around. But it doesn't matter, because there was no promise. If there was, the highly competent SEA leadership surely would demanded it in writing before signing the last contract. I safely assume that they do not possess such a signed agreement.

lyn

12:59 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

For those that think they should meet -here's the negotiation-
Tracy - I want.....
John K - Sorry, can't do it
Tracy - I demand....
John K - Sorry, not able to do it
Tracy - You better give me what I want or else...
John K- Sorry, doesn't change things - still the same offer, I've given you my best offer
Tracy- Where's the cameras....Someone tripped me when I fell off the curb

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lyn

1:02 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

OEA need to replace Sadone and Candid camera with someone who can answer logically.

Especially these questions everyone asks that go unanswered-
-How is this strike for the kids?
-How is the proposal unfair to the teachers?
-What are the poor working conditions?

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Amazed citizen

1:02 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

LOL
Or

Tracy: John can we me...
John K.: uhh I'd love to but Pepple and Frazee told me to sit down and shut up.
Tracy: But John..
John: Sorry Tracy I'd want to but they are big bullies, and they made me cry.

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jw93

1:27 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Yes, Amazed, I'm sure Krupinski is just itching to give the teachers all that they want, but the evil lawyer is controlling him like Rasputin.
Seems like you guys love your union lawyers just fine, though. They work pro bono, right?

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Amazed citizen

1:30 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

my union?

My 'discussion' was just as vaible as lyn's, you just like to call out the one that doesn't fit your idea.

StrongDad

1:13 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Sad you were 55% teacher 45% Board and 100% strongsville yesterday. Today you are here to support the teachers.

If you are so supportive of the teachers then put on your walking shoes, grab your sidewalk chalk and a few donuts and start walking in circles with them.

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lyn

1:14 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

jw93
I've learned that these fools won't respond to any facts or figures. They would rather rant and rave like a child throwing a tantrum until they think they'll get what they want. The reason? Because they got it in the past!

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StrongDad

1:20 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I promised my kids hostess cupcakes and hohos and twinkies last year. Now they won't talk to me and they keep walking around the garage in circles with whistles and special shirts because they claim I broke my promise. Please help me Sad. I don't know what to do???? There is no amount of money I can offer them to reconcile. They won't accept Little Debbies. waaaahhhhhhh

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jabace

1:31 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Teachers, I have a friend who specializes in foreclosures if ya need help. I would recommend selling the BMW or Mercedes first though.

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Amazed citizen

1:33 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

and then there is jabass.... another proud member of idiots anonymous.

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StrongDad

1:50 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Is jabass a new game invented by Union members? Let's play jabass with our co-workers that want to return to the classroom to educate children.

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Amazed citizen

1:52 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Please keep your latent homosexual feelings to yourself, there is no need to share those here.

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StrongDad

1:59 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

The newly invented Union game of jabass is now homosexual? You AMAZED me with your shallowness. very punny huh?

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Amazed citizen

2:03 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I wasn't talking about the little game you invented, which must have hurt your little head.

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StrongDad

2:13 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

My head is good....how about your jabass?

One who knows

1:47 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Good news. Twinkles and hohos will now be produced again. The recipes were purchased by another company.

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StrongDad

1:53 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

There is hope for the SEA membership---it's only been 5 months since Hostess workers were fired. Only 4 1/2 months to go SEA.

One who knows

1:53 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Excellent with Distinction. Believe me proud Strongsville residents, the teachers had something to do with that ranking. The highest ranking category in the state of Ohio.

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lyn

1:56 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Credit goes to-
-the student
-their parents
-the community (are there the "evil" distractions?)
-A teacher - not just these teachers

get over yourself!

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StrongDad

2:01 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Now they can get a rating of Excellent at Destruction. Believe me One Who Knows--the teachers had everything to do with the destruction.

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Michael McNamee

3:10 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I would agree with students and parents deserving credit for achievement in the schools, but in terms of a "grade" calculated through test scores, how exactly did the community contribute? Especially more than teachers?

After reading your posts, I presume you are a resident of Strongsville. Can you outline your approach to helping youngsters pass the OAA / OGT? Because I would like to adopt your formula for success.

Resident #2025

1:56 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

If I were a neighbor and had protesters on my street, the first thing I would do is haul out my sprinkler and set it up to run FULL BLAST. And by the way teachers, we don't need your propaganda flyers delivered on our doorsteps to blow around the neighborhood. Save your colored paper for the classrooom since you complain about using your hard earned dollars to buy supplies.

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lyn

1:59 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Each Board member should start watering their tree lawns at 3:30

lyn

1:57 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Sorry all- I gotta run for now....

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lyn's double chin

2:22 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

run to Burger King to get me some food, that is!

One who knows

1:59 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Yep, the parents and students are perfect. Can I have some of what you're smoking.

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One who knows

2:04 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Strong, r u saying the district had nothing to do with it?

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StrongDad

2:08 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

The Board of Education/District did a great job is what I'm saying. Now they have to go out and hire dedicated teachers who are not quitters.

Rich

2:05 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Candid - these " tit for tat" premises are just ridicilous ... Just because they got that doesnt mean you should get this ...again I have to draw the parallels to how things work in the private sector and not in some fantasyland . If i went and raised that argumemt to my boss I may as well box my things up.

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Michael McNamee

3:12 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

What is "the market" for salaries / compensation, if not a strict comparison of numbers and costs? Wouldn't one have to compare how and what teachers are being paid in a neighboring city, for the sake of an equal comparison?

StrongDad

2:11 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Based on your simple logic One Who Knows nothing---If a student goes to a school district that is "effective" instead of "excellent" does that mean the teachers are bad?

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One who knows

2:14 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

What I find shocking is that the parents of strongsville know that absolutely zero education is occurring in the schools. The super and board know that no education is occurring. Yet both groups are ok with it. They would rather damage the children because of their hatred for the teachers. I am so glad I don't live in this backwards @$$ city.

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StrongDad

2:17 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

One who knows nothing---there is education occurring. It's unfortunate the teachers walked out on their students after 122 days (just coincidently enough days to get 1 year of service credit with their retirement system). Why couldn't they wait 3 more months and handle business in the summer time? They had already waited 9 months.

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StrongDad

2:18 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

We love our city and our schools. We are glad you don't live here and attempt to bully us.

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Michael McNamee

3:16 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Agreed. Subs crossing the line have zero rapport with children, little-to-nonexistent training, and most likely zero experience--in most cases--in planning a series of meaningful lessons. Many have already admitted they are just handing out worksheets, don't understand IEPs, and are rehashing material already covered. There's no expansion of any learning, or progress to the next set of standards.

One who knows

2:21 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Can't comment on their strategy. My point is that the students are getting screwed and the board, and parents are o.k. with it. Why don't they make the teachers pay based on district ranking? Oh wait, they moved from Excellent to Excellent with distinction and would deserve a raise. Never mind.

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Spinnerbait

2:27 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I love this idea. We could make more cuts in teacher salaries then be the 103 ranked in total teachers compensation rather then the 15th. I think its a great idea That way we could get what we pay for instead of what we are getting currently.

lyn's double chin

2:21 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

StrongDad AKA Mr. Potter!!!! Thanks for the cinnamon rolls!!!

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One who knows

2:34 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Spinner, you r getting the highest ranking by the state of Ohio. With merit pay it would actually cost the district more not less. You are getting exactly what you are paying for...Excellence.

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Spinnerbait

2:42 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I guess it like buying a car (Excellence), I can go to 3 different dealers and get the 3 different prices. But its the same car so why pay more then you have to?

I am not familiar with your "Merit" Can you explain?

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StrongDad

2:42 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

One Who Knows nothing---I finally agree with you. The pay should be based on performance. Everybody gets a base salary of between $34,779 to $42,243 based on the SEA last proposal and when a ranking of excellent is acheived there should be an incentive of say 10% and then when they get the special little "with distinction" (which in my opinion means nothing) then give them say 12%. No more longevity raises.

StrongDad

2:37 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Who is Mr. Potter so I can enjoy the joke too?

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One who knows

2:47 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Their is a nation wide push for elimination of the wage scale for teachers. The thought is that if we pay teachers based on "student growth" or "district growth" or "building growth" then the teachers will work harder and students will achieve more. If one believes in that (and I don't) the district would actually have to pay the teachers more because the ranking increased from Excellent to Excellent with distinction. Basically the automatic steps would be gone and the pay would be based on the teachers merit.

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StrongDad

2:52 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Why do you feel they would be paying more than the current average of $68,000 per year?

I think the only people that deserve a raise are the Board of Education members. Elected officials in cities, townships and counties make a real wage. School board members are allowed by law to make a measly $125 per meeting. We already saw what happened in Cuyahoga County---right Mr. Dimora?

One who knows

2:50 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Way to go mr name caller. Pay the least and get the least. Who cares if your kids learn or not. I don't. My city pays our teachers well and the students achieve. I guess that's why I chose my city.

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StrongDad

2:59 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Once again I ask---if a school is effective does that mean the teachers are bad? I will add to that now---just because teachers are paid less in a district does that mean the kids won't achieve an excellent rating? Why not a statewide salary schedule?

Almost 60% of the schools in the state of ohio were rated excellent or excellent with distinction.

One who knows

2:55 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I guess I just don't understand the hatred towards teachers.

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StrongDad

3:22 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

There isn't a hatred toward teachers only toward quitters. I personally love the Medina teachers--they are a class act. They truly are there for their students.

Justaguy

2:56 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

This incident will help Ohio become a right to work state. Good job teachers. You are biting the hand that feeds you. Public unions will be a thing of the past.

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One who knows

3:18 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

The lawmakers will try to make Ohio a right to work state regardless. It will be overturned. It's not like strongsville voted no on SB5.

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Lori

3:18 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I also heard that the kids at high school are asking for some of the subs to be hired . I hope two of those replacements will replace the two teacher (criminals) that are striking.

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Richard

3:46 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Heard the same thing, and I agree

jabace

3:22 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I just heard the teachers are going to start their own union company making guns, the only problem is they don't work and you can't fire them.

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Richard

3:46 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Ok, that's funny, I don't care who you are! LOL

Rich

3:22 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

One who knows ... Don't understand hatred toward teachers ??? Two things ... One I don't think there is hatred to the teachers in general. Most clear minded people would acknowledge there is good and bad apples in every profession. The problem is a few a bad apples and their display have ruined it for the whole bunch. This was further compounded by the fact that no one from the SEA camp has yet to step forward and denounce NOT ONE incident . I think that stews with a lot of people. And two ... I tjonk

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Rich

3:24 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Cont'd ... And two ... I think most people are today are a lot more dialed in to the unrealistic demands of this group. All quite sad but true .

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jabace

3:32 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I heard the city withheld the teachers last one week of pay. Too funny!

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jabace

3:34 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Hey teachers don't wear hoodies it makes you look even more like the thugs you are, try some orange vests so you don't get hit by a car. Your gonna need them a few more weeks.

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One who knows

3:37 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Thanks for th sensible and reasonable response. However, if one looks back at this thread it seems that there is much hatred. I am not excusing the behavior of some of the teachers. However it is not 383 teachers acting inappropriately. It is a few and they should be dealt with. It's not like they offer a course on strike etiquette. As far as the demands, not sure what is unrealistic. What is unrealistic is that Governor Kasich is sitting on almost 500 million in Rainy day funds ( mostly money he got by cutting school districts budgets) and not assisting th districts. Furthermore, the Ohio lottery had record profits and the money that should have gone to schools (remember that lie?) was put into the rainy day fund.

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StrongDad

3:48 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

The hatred is only toward the "leadership" for bullying the other teachers; toward the "leadership" for blocking the driveway of the schools; toward the "leadership" for protesting on personal property (why stomp on the sidewalk in front of houses?); toward the "leadership" for presenting a terrible counter proposal that would cost millions of dollars to each of us taxpayers. Gotta run for now---going out to dinner with a teacher :-)

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Richard

3:54 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

I wholeheartedly disagree with the premise that there is hatred towards teachers. I doubt one adult could not back and thank a teacher for a positive influence his/her life. I know several. But there are jerks in every workplace and in every profession. Sadly, the spotlight shines most brightly on the jerks and leaves others in the shadows. But I do not believe for one second there is hatred towards teachers, in fact, just the opposite. mo

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Richard

4:05 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

This just in: Substitute teacher gets something thrown at their car on I-71 after school. Now if you want to wonder where the hatred is focused, here you go:
http://on.fox8.com/887OHtg

Dave M

5:52 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

If I was a board member and teachers were in my front yard I would bring out the hose and lawn sprinkler and get a jump on my spring irrigation.

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lyn's double chin

5:59 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

you are so clever!!!! now.... can I PLEASE have a freaking cookie????

mark

7:09 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

From what I have seen these last two weeks, there is very little education going on in my daughters 4th grade class and no education going on in my other daughters 8th grade class at center ms. Stop the B.S.ing there is no learning going on in strongsville.

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Kim L

7:55 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

mark you do know they are holding onto ALL graded papers in case there is a later issue about "grades not counting"

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Donna

8:33 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

It amazes me that people think there is no education going on in the schools. These are teachers people-----they know how to educate! Remember, no one is irreplaceable.

Common Sense 1

7:31 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Summary: 1) SB5 will pass next time with firefighters and police left off 2) a new levy will NOT pass in Strongsville for many years to come 3) many, if not all, of these striking Strongsville teachers will be gone within a couple years (if they are not all fired due to the state stepping in to end all this) BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY HAS REJECTED THEM ALL after this escapade...I have talked to NO ONE who remains supportive of these irresponsible "teachers" 4) we will soon have young, energetic, recently graduated teachers that are hungry and APPRECIATIVE of a good paying job in a nice community and our home values will rise once again. BYE BYE, SEA!!!

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Donna

8:29 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

How long do they have to be on strike before they no longer have their health care paid for? I would love to see that happen.

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a teacher

9:33 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

we have actually been paying for our own health care since the strike began. the board did stop paying our health package

Q

9:00 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

No pay or benefits as of first day of strike.

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Donna

11:30 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Good for them and shame on you. All of you should be thanking God that you have a job and a good paying one at that. So many people are out of work and are struggling to take care of their families. I have no compassion for you. I have compassion for those teachers who don't want to be on strike---who can't afford to be on strike----who want to be doing what they were hired to do. They along with the children are the real victims here.

Mike

9:08 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

A total lack of character ... shame on SELF-ish Public employees! Hypocrasy at it's best. 1. Bullying the publicly elected Board. 2. Defaming the publicly elected Board. 3. Intimidating Parents who are trying to drop their children off at school &/or take them home post school, by standing on the side-walk, completely across the drive-way! These authority figures sure preach a different story then their actions demonstrate, when they in their comfy classrooms, and on their high & mighty horses ... lol ... tisk, tisk! Note in the article above it states, "The memo said the vigils would help "PRESSURE" the board back to the negotiating table." Bullying, harassment, & certainly disrespect for not only the Board, who is trying to arrive at a modern and supportable compensation contract, BUT what about their neighbors, who's homes are likely filled with the same students that they instruct to act differently than they do ... hum?

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C

9:14 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

Anyone seen the figures for the Administrative raises and bonuses since 2008?

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Linda T.

11:06 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013

What a massive cluster f@&$ this site is. Repetitive and mindless. Take a break from bashing each other for a couple of days...you might discover joy in your lives once again!!!!

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What About Our Kids ??

8:49 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

Linda T. If you don't like it, don't read it.

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AnthonyLom

9:03 am on Friday, March 15, 2013

Here is the home that Tracy Linscott (a 9th grade reading teacher lives in)... It is valued at over $400,000... She wants to give out the home phones and address of the School Board to organize a "candle light vigil" at their house.... I wonder how much she would like it if people did this at her house in front of her family... I am not trying to organize anything like that but i think that the information should be out there for both sides... Suuuuuuuure looks like a nice house for an "underpaid" teacher that’s for sure

http://www.trulia.com/homes/Ohio/Independence/sold/1519231-6303-Acres-Dr-Independence-OH-44131

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The REAL Lyn Shady

1:32 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

I know none of you really care what I have to say, all I am asking is for you to PLEASE give this a look. This school district was in a VERY similar situation as to what Strongsville is in right now. It may actually make you think a little bit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcAAG66YR_M

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Kim L

1:43 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Real lyn shady you are correct "I know none of you really care what I have to say"

Donna

2:24 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

Hey teachers ask your "Union Leaders" if they're still collecting a paycheck and getting health care benefits paid for while they are directing you to stay on strike. Play follow the leader a little longer. Give them enough time to lead you right down to the river and watch all of you go under. Wise up! Go back to work and do what you were hired to do and what you're paid very well to do.

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lyn

7:08 pm on Friday, March 15, 2013

And how much do those same OEA leaders make? You know, those heading the OEA that are pushing the teachers here to sacrifice themselves for the soon to be fought state bill?

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sadvilleresident

11:38 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013

The SEA has crossed so many lines, but this one seems past the point of no return. I would love an SEA rep or Mrs. Linscott herself explain the necessity of tombstones and coffins at these "peaceful" demonstrations.
I am also appalled that the OEA sent out emails requesting the presence of teachers from other communities at these private residences. How many ethical violations are these people willing to make in their "good faith" (ha) efforts?

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