Should Site of New Middle School Be Changed?
Officials have to make a decision quickly on a proposed location
Strongsville Schools' Business Manager Mark Donnelly doesn't believe a new middle school should be built on a 17-acre district-owned parcel near the high school.
"My concern is the building won't fit there," Donnelly said. "There's no room for athletic fields. There will be no football field, no track."
He'd rather put the new building on the current Center Middle School site.
But do that, and you lose the money -- probably a few million dollars -- you'd get in selling the prime real estate on which Center sits.
"The plan was to sell that property and earmark that money for technology (improvements) in the schools," said Ward 3 Councilman Jim Carbone, who helped develop the proposal to build a new middle school.
The proposal calls for the school district to put a $72 million bond issue on the November ballot, with about $55 million going to build a middle school and the rest to make structural and technology upgrades in the other buildings.
The timing is crucial. The new issue would replace other bonds that are being paid off, meaning a tax increase of only about $8 a year for each $100,000 in home valuation.
School board member Carl Naso said last week that officials have to decide two things by the end of May: the location of the new middle school and what grade levels it would serve -- keep it at 7th and 8th-graders, or have 6th-graders there, too.
The location may prove to be the trickiest part of the project.
Crews have already taken soil samples from the 17-acre site, located off Pearl Road behind Jardine Funeral Home, to see if it is buildable. Results should be in later this month.
But Donnelly said middle schools typically require 30 acres. He said the Center site already had the acreage, as well as the athletic fields.
Albion Middle School is another possibility, but Donnelly said it is not centrally location. The former Allen Elementary School has also been discussed as a site.
"The nice thing is that we have other options," Carbone said.
It appears a decision will have to be made within a few weeks, though. The school board has until July 9 to put the bond issue on the fall ballot, and certain aspects of the plan have to be included in the issue.
The district has set four public meetings to solicit opinions.
They are May 15 at Chapman, May 16 at Center, May 22 at Albion and May 23 at Drake. The sessions start at 7 p.m., not 6:30 as originally scheduled.
lyn
6:17 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Patch-
Can you find out how much it cost to acquire the 17 acres that they want to build the new school on?
Debbie Palmer
1:39 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Lyn, got an answer on the cost of the land. It was about $719,000, which translates to $42,294 an acre. Mark Donnelly said land in Strongsville is typically now $55,000 to $60,000 an acre. It was purchased in 2005 and the deal finalized in early 2006.
lyn
2:00 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Good job! Thanks for your followup.
So, now we know that 17 acres is worth about $1million.
That should be part of the plan submitted to the taxpayers - if a new school is built somewhere else, THIS property could be sold. It sounds like, from what some are saying, that they acted too fast in buying this property for a new middle school, if more acreage is needed for one, and this 17 acres includes 5 acres of wetland - which presents a huge problem. Seems like they jumped on this land purchase a bit too hastily and should have done some studies back then before spending our money.
Ken McEntee
9:23 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
How is timing crucial? A project like this needs to be thought out and done right, not fast. November isn't the last chance to get the issue on the ballot. It's just the last chance to get the issue on the ballot while being able to tell taxpayers that it will only cost them $16 to $24 per year. Public relations is not a reasonable driver of a multi-million dollar construction project.
lyn
12:18 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
They want so badly to sell the property that Center sits on. But since Center is more centrally located and there is more property there to handle what is required to have a new school, why are we spinning our wheels to make it work at that 17 acres, where actually only 12 is able to be used because of the wetlands. Why was no study done before the property was acquired? Why not get rid of that 17 acres? Lets be smart in our decisions. And take our time, as Ken has said. Be sure to do it right. I'm tired of money being spent and then a few years later we are told that the original construction or planning was not adequate or enough to handle the population needs. What happens when in 15 years they need to expand, and the 12 acres can't even handle what is needed now? It doesn't sound like many on the board are thinking - they only have this dream of a campus of both schools in one location. But if that square peg won't fit into that round hole, quite trying to jam it in there.
And why wasn't an alternate location an option asked on the survey? This is probably one of the most important questions that needs asked. Probably because of fear of hearing the public's response - leave it at Center's location.
tom m
4:16 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
this is what I am wondering also >>>>>And why wasn't an alternate location an option asked on the survey? This is probably one of the most important questions that needs asked. Probably because of fear of hearing the public's response - leave it at Center's location
Ken McEntee
2:39 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Lyn. Richard Micko, the new member of the board, is holding an informal get-together just to meet people and hear their concerns - at Donut Scene tomorrow - Saturday, May 12 - from 9 a.m. to noon. You might want to stop in and talk with Richard about this. More importantly, Donut Scene has the best donuts.
lyn
2:47 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Ken- Thanks for the info. I might be able to stop in. Since he is new to the board, he might be more open to really listening to taxpayer concerns, and not just going through the motions of saying he wants feedback.
Stephen diLauro
3:50 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Would it work to build on the 17-acre site behind Jardine's, keep the middle school as just 7th- and 8th-graders (unless problem with elementary schools accommodating K thru 6), and schedule middle-school athletics in such a way that they could [also] use the SHS facilities; then sell the [more] valuable current Center Middle School property on Pearl Road? Practicality and economy should drive these decisions, and part of this would be short- and long-term considerations - - including, but not limited to, structural improvements to existing buildings, technological updates throughout the entire system, and building capacities.
tom m
10:34 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
my best guess is that center sits on about 55 acres of land ....if anyone has a better number please chime in
now along with all that land it already has a flat developed area with a track and football field in place with plenty of empy land between the center and taliak fields (no wetlands and no need to bore for anything)
Ken McEntee
11:21 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Tom.
According to the land records of the county auditor, the Center and Administration building property includes two parcels that make up 10 acres apiece (about 856,000 square feet total). The land records may be questionable, however, given that they list the Catan Bridal property as exactly one acre, which is clearly not the case.
Ken McEntee
11:26 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
By the way, the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections told me that the deadline to get on the November ballot is August 8, not July 9.
Ken Evans
11:19 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
90 days is correct for operating levies. Unfortunately, Bond Issues (which are used only for capital improvements and not day-to-day operations) such as might be considered to renovate, build or a combination of efforts to bring the schools up to minimum state educational facility standards require 120 days (not 90) for filing. That is why July 9 is the last date to register to place a BOND issue on the ballot.
Ken McEntee
12:18 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012
Ken.
I have contacted the Board of Elections twice about this. The Board of Elections says the deadline is August 8 for all local issues, bond or levy.
Ken McEntee
5:15 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012
According to Bill Parkinson, school treasurer, the deadline to file with the Board of Elections is August 8. However, the board also has to file some materials with the Ohio Department of Education and the Ohio Department of Taxation by July 9.
And here is what Parkinson said must be filed by July 9:
* Estimated interest rate.
* Maximum maturity based on the weighted average useful life of the proposed facilities to be financed. The weighted average requires an estimated aggregate of hard dollar costs expected to be spent on the following: (1) land acquisition, (2) “bricks and mortar”, (3) site improvements, (4) furnishings and equipment, (5) technology, (6) paving and/or resurfacing, and (7) athletic and/or recreational equipment. These categories and their respective useful lives are based on statute. This information has to be obtained from a professional planner and the numbers calculated by an underwriter and bond counsel.
Parkinson believes it is reasonable to believe that this can all be properly gathered and filed by the deadline.
In my opinion, something obviously needs to be done to repair or replace the problem facilities and the cost is not very much. That said, although this is not my area of expertise, I don't see how so many decisions can be properly investigated and made within such a short period of time. Unless the board can prove otherwise, my opinion is that they should target a May or November 2013 election and allow time to get it right.