When your property value drops because the school district sucks you will not be saying that. Bash teachers.....common theme created by politicians to say what is wrong. Yell at them not hard working taxpaying teachers.

It's time to bust up all unions. Unions were started for early century FACTORY workers working 8 days a week! There are *THOUSANDS* of ready and waiting teaching graduates who would LOVE to take those jobs for HALF the pay! Watch out tired, sluggish teachers. It's sounds REDUNDENT, but you're lucky to have a job in this economy....I mean, "new reality".

Why would any quality educator want to come to Strongsville? The starting pay is already one of the lowest in the county...

People act like quality unemployed educators are incredibly easy to come by. This may be true for Elementary and Middle Schools, but how do you plan on finding High School Math and Science teachers? People with high math and science prowess already go in to more lucrative professions. Say goodbye to your top 5% in the state OGT scores.

The community needs to call the Superintendant's office and leave that message - I did!

Do some research. Strongsville (especially in the first 10 years or so) pays much less than neighboring school districts.

StrongsvilleJoe
15 minutes ago
Do some research. Strongsville (especially in the first 10 years or so) pays much less than neighboring school districts.

do you have a link to this claimed fact ???

Public employee contracts are public record. A simple google search can yield every public contract in the state of Ohio.

Here are a few districts (all with lower OGT scores) for comparison. Salaries are for 1st year teachers.

N. Olmsted - $37,661
O. Falls - $36,667
Brecksville - $39,786
N. Royalton - $38,564
STRONGSVILLE - $34,778

Sorry, forgot to throw Brunswick in there as well.

$35,862

awwwww but joe your forgetting the pickup on the pension pickups so tack another 6000.00 on to that number

so starts the DIS-INFORMATION drive

James,

Not sure what the "awwwwww" is in reference to, but the retirement pickup is 9.3% of the salary. Not sure where the $6000 figure you're citing is coming from.

Ok, If you want to adjust Strongsville to accommodate the 9.3%, you're at $38,012. Still lower than Brecksville and Royalton. Certainly not out of line like many are citing.

Brecksville's board is as anti-teacher as they come and they just signed an equitable 3 year contract. Why can't out board come to the bargaining table and do the same?

The pick up is currently 10.2%.

Did you even follow what happened in Brecksville?
It got ugly there - the teachers behaved worse than what those in Strongsville have done so far.

Don't just cherry pick the high paying districts.
And remember, the issue is not as much about the starting salary as it is about how fast they climb to the high end of the pay scale and what the high end is, in addition to highly subsidized benefits.

Joe you are a teacher correct

Strongsville Joe must have thought nobody would fact check him

StrongsvilleJoe
9:11 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Public employee contracts are public record. A simple google search can yield every public contract in the state of Ohio.
Here are a few districts (all with lower OGT scores) for comparison. Salaries are for 1st year teachers.

N. Olmsted - $37,661
O. Falls - $36,667
Brecksville - $39,786
N. Royalton - $38,564
STRONGSVILLE - $34,778

here are the actual numbers

N. Olmsted - $37,661 actual $ 29593
O. Falls - $36,667 actual $ 24968
Brecksville - $39,786 actual $ 36103
N. Royalton - $38,564 actual $ 34779
STRONGSVILLE - $34,778 not to mention a ($4800.00 pickup pickup)

just because you post it does not make it true (first post ever)

Kim,

My numbers came directly from. Serb.ohio.gov.

Where are your numbers coming from?

Also, as to my occupation, I have absolutely no stake in these negotiations other than children in the district. I come from a family of math and science teachers and am well aware of the work and abilities required to be a teacher.

As a recent move in to the community, a large part of my choosing Strongsville had to do with the schools. Knowing that they offer classes like Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra, and numerous AP classes at the high school was a huge draw. These thpes of classes require an immense amount of knowledge. Personally I'd like high quality people teaching these classes. To attract quality candidates, one must pay them well. Simple as that.

I've always viewed education as a "get what you pay for" deal in life. I am willing to pay the taxes if my kid is going to come out of HS with a great education and a year of college credit under their belt.

Sadly, when I moved in 3 years ago, a few long time residents told me that we're becoming the next Parma. After reading these boards and seeing how you value the people that educate your children, I have to say I agree with them.

The pay the school board receives is trivial to begin with. Something along the lines of $2000-$2500 per year. For the amount of time and effort they put in to their job, they deserve more. The teachers however- cut them off.

The problem is - the teachers already claim their pay has been frozen for years - very untrue.

Betty where did you come up with that gem ???
if the teachers go on strike and the second they do not show up for work,they would be listed as voluntarily quit, they can then be replaced and not brought back unless it is part of the negotiated settlement
and second where did you hear the board is never going to ask for anymore levies

Since they are not under any contract at the moment -- they can fire them for any number of valid reasons...and Ohio is a hire/fire at will state.

where are you reading this nonsense ????? I am at my union job right now (working as safe as possible while texting) and if we walk off the job we would be replaced and (scabs) the company does NOT have to bring us back UNLESS they settle and our only option is to keep an active picket to prevent any union worker/driver/trade from crossing our line

Does this apply to employees who are under contract?

you must be getting this from the STRIKERS FOR DUMMIES site

Oh you heard this statement a verbal promise wow your legal knowledge is top shelf

I follow the schools closely and have never heard them say such a ludicrous statement. The majority of the levies expire over a certain amount of years, which varies from levy to levy. There is no way they would be able to continue without asking for another levy. Maybe you misunderstood when they say building the new schools would cut cost and ultimately decrease the amount of levies they would need to ask for in the future.

listen kitten I have worked union shops my whole life and have struck and refused to cross others pickets before what it is you are failing to understand is yes you can strike but you are NOT guaranteed your job back unless your union is able to settle and it needs to be included into the settlement

James is right different unions .........different rules...but all use the same principles .... thats why we vote on any negotiated contract which includes in a case of a strike reinstatement without loss of seniority

it is not lawful to terminate a union-represented (for that matter, any individual) for engaging in lawful protected activity such as striking. However, what many employees fail to appreciate is that an employer is permitted to permanently replace employees who go on strike. The law (in this case, we are talking about the National Labor Relations Act) does not guarantee reinstatement to an employee who wishes to return to work at the end of a strike or who decides to stop participating in the strike.

Also per the NLRB-
Strikers who engage in serious misconduct in the course of a strike may be refused reinstatement to their former jobs. ... Serious misconduct has been held to include, among other things, violence and threats of violence. ... Examples of serious misconduct that could cause the employees involved to lose their right to reinstatement are:

- Strikers physically blocking persons from entering or leaving a struck plant.
- Strikers threatening violence against nonstriking employees.
- Strikers attacking management representatives.

Lyn-

I sure hope chanting at the last meeting is enough to be considered an attack on management! Cant wait to see what these hoodlums that are supposed to be educating our children bring tonight....

nobody could get in teachers and teachers families packed it to capacity allowing their chosen few to speak

I'm surprised they could find the time to go to any meetings - after all they work until the wee hours of the morning, don't they? Especially if they spend their lunch and free periods on the Patch.

Amen Nick!!!

your parent have taught you well

Unfortunately I heard several times from a high school educator right here in Strongsville that it is disgusting how many times a day she hears from other teachers how much they hate their jobs but they keep doing it because of the $$$ and the benefits...hearing that from an tenured educator makes me sick!

rich this public teacher union need to go
private unions give you the universal work and safety rules in place at all union and non union companies today

http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/teacher-salary ...rich all teachers salary in ohio