I love their chant ......"working people power "...... what do these people know about real work

I understand the BOE and Sub teachers are doing AMAZING work at the High School..

Yes, kids it's not about your education anymore; its all about your teacher's pay, healthcare and pension benefits. You can forget about their role as educators, mentors and role models, that's simply not on their list of priorities.

Just got a message from my kid in school. Said his Sub-teacher seems to have actually taken a bath this morning and seems to be in control of things - despite all the noisy, spoiled job-less teachers milling outside his school. I'm sure the subs will work out just fine for the rest of the year. After all, the curriculum does the teaching, the teachers only act as facilitators - as proved by the success of Onine K-12 instructional design and their top-notch curriculum(s).

Hooray and THANK YOU for the Strongsville Police for not taking any more sh*t from these thugs, who obviously cannot follow directions.... duh. I hope at some point they simply take all of these brainless wonders to the klink. Shame on you Teachers! Shame on You!! Live in the real world teachers.

I think it is hilarious that the teachers are not following the rules and that the police had to repeatedly tell them to "back off the apron, now please". It shows the intellegence level of the Strongsville Teachers! What idiots! Who is leading this strike? This is exactly why I send my kids to private, so I know they are getting a higher quality education while these losers waste my tax dollars!

I walked my son to elementary school this morning. As we were coming down the street, you could hear them yelling at the school bus bringing in kids, yelling at cars. As we approached, they got quiet and parted for us to pass. For at least that I thank them, but...Was that because they all knew me? I do not know. My husband is a retired Ford union man. Union and right to strike are one thing. Yet he says that not even Ford workers behaved this way when on strike back in 1976. This is the problem: the children are seeing your outbursts. If they display your behavior, they will get into trouble. You know you would never tolerate this from them in your classrooms! Stop setting a negative example. My son saw his teacher participating in this way this morning. He commented on it as we went into school. Not cool people! And before someone says something to me like, "@#$%....you should have kept him home so he wouldn't have seen that...". I do not believe I should have to keep my child out of school, so as not to see teachers behaving badly. Welcome to the dose of reality. Life isn't always pretty. We don't always get our way. Sometimes we have to make hard decisions. Husband and I both feel that it is in some sense a life lesson they should be in on. Life in a bubble isn't healthy. Let's just have a mutual respect while disagreeing. Who knows. Perhaps if we calm down and listen to each other, we may come to an understanding. Whatever happened to it being all about the kids?

What you are seeing in Strongsville is exactly what teachers think
"THAT THEY ARE BETTER THAN THE WORKING PERSON"
They have it to easy and they want more they would never make it in the real working world period.

I stopped by the paper recycle bin in the HS student parking lot as I usually do. Lots of people holding signs, but very quiet, (there was a police officer not 50 feet from me). What caused me to look up was a honking horn and a car going by, windows down, and at least three hands out the window giving the one finger salute. Since I didn't know the car or driver, I will not speculate on who was inside, but I can tell you what they thought of the strikers. Just a little FYI, as Bill Wills would say.

So playing UNO in science class is what you call under control? A lesson in forgiveness in English class. 4 study halls- no French class - no orchestra class. SHS is far from under control

according the Cleveland.com : "Students say 'it's chaos' inside Strongsville High"
Good work Krupinski!!! Way to keep the kids safe

Today

Attention Teachers:::
I can`t wait to hear a teacher from Strongsville speak of tolerance and against bullying.
I would show videos of these teachers and how they treated fellow teachers.
TEACHING BY EXAMPLE
WHAT A JOKE

Neil Gordon, you are a horse's a$$. Certainly all of those things are on the teachers priority list. The teachers simply decided that after being generous doormats for 6 years they had no choice but to make their life's, family's and carereer's a higher priority for a little while.

Do you always but your job ahead of yourself and your family? Is it always work first in your life?

What a schmuck.

HaHa, LOL, autoworkers didn't act like this. I think time has dimmed his memory. As recently as 15 years ago, you couldn't even park a Japanese car in the Ford lot without it getting trashed.

When people get angry they behave badly. That the truth. The teachers have demonstrated that and the pro-union side has demonstrated that.

And that's why the big loser in this is our community.

John, make sure to also post the chaos bit in the high school, next time Krupinski talks about "the safety of the children"..

Since we're all so worried about saving money and we don't have enough money to pay these greedy teachers, is anyone going to ask the board why they've decided to house these "substitutes" at the Courtyard in Middleburgh Hts.? I'm pretty sure La Siesta on Pearl has a few rooms available at a fraction of the cost.

The students have to sign an anti-bullying pledge. The teachers should have to sign one too!

John, Krupinski IS responsible for the safety of the children. he did not hire enough substitute teachers to keep SHS open. Now it is chaos. You keep blaming the teachers, while ignoring the rest.

"This just in...Krupinski flies over schools in flaming chariot, laughing at the mass hysteria erupting beneath him. Fire reigns down on the earth from the Heavens above! Only Amazed Citizen, Bob S. and Candid Resident will be saved from his wrath. They were the only ones with the foresight to see what would unfold"

The behaviors of these union teachers demonstrate the impressionability and obedience of people when provided with a legitimizing ideology and social and institutional support (from their union leadership and each other). Anyone remember the "Stanford Prison Experiment" from 1971 (if not, Google it)? This experiment shed some light on how quickly sane and rational individuals could lose their sanity and rationality when placed into an environment of group approval and downward-spiralling behaviors (similar to a mob whipped into a frenzy).
I think this teacher's strike is going to put a "black eye" on our community for a long time to come. Twenty years from now, we'll be able to point to 04 March 2013 as the starting point for the erosion of a great little town.

Anyone who thought that today was going to go off without a few hiccups is delusional. I will say the Elementary school was going great. Plenty of kids and everyone was in good spirits. The principal was awesome. There are a lot of people that need to be replaced. There are a lot of people who were just hired into a new system. How about we give the Board the time they need to improve things? I am confident things are definitely going to improve. To judge the Board's success just on today is ridiculous and anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that. I prepared my children for the fact that things will take time. Life is messy sometimes. I would rather my children be prepared to deal with change rather than be locked up at home.

Myron, you were dismissed.

I was speaking with a young friend yesterday that is a senior in N. Olmsted. He said he has many friends at SHS and they all are "pissed" at what they perceive as the teachers' greed.

I drove by Center Middle School twice today and did't hear a single car honk in support of the teachers' union. Not a one.

It's not going to be sunshine and roses the 1st day Morons!@!!

there will be "suffering" period and then things will get back to normal.
A few must die to allow the rest of us to live.

CandidResident: Surrarrer Elementary. It would be a guess but probably 75% of the kids in attendance. Very orderly. Kids smiling. I also have a junior in the high school. Things were chaotic but I did not expect things to run smooth the 1st day. It is called reality. Some of us live there.

exactly S-Mother!!!

Z

My daughter is a student at the high school and has had a better than expected day today. She had Econ with a sub that she felt was more than qualified and extremely pleasant. He is a recent graduate from Akron U and is awaiting his bar exam results. She then had English where she was assigned an in class writing assignment, on to pre-calc where she was very impressed with her sub and I'll quote my daughter, "My precalc teacher is great. We got notes and picked up right where we left off before the strike. She used to teach math so she is intelligent and easily handles leading the classroom.". She'll finish the day with AP Gov. For the kids that are claiming it's chaos, I suspect they are students that are enjoying the opportunity to take advantage of the situation. My daughter did say that many kids were being uncooperative. I am confident that my child will continue to learn.

Teachers: It's time to "cut bait". You just don't have the necessary position of strength to "bargain" in this manner at this time. Reality1: You are not irreplacable, but you are our neighbors and we're willing to forgive if you pull back now. Reality2: If this ends up with you permanently losing your jobs (do you understand the possibility of this?), most of you will never find as good of a job again in your lifetime. You old teachers might not care, but all the teachers with kids at home are in the process of killing the goose that laid the golden eggs!

,THE TEACHERS ARE SELFISH,ARROGENT,RUDE,THEY NEED TO ALL BE FIRED,GET A REAL JOB,WE PAY 1800.00A MONTH FOR HEALTH CARE,YOU VOTED FOR OBAMA SO WE WILL GIVE YOU OBAMA CARE FOR HEALTH CARE HOWES THAT SUTE YOU. WE DONT NEED TEACHERS JUST HOME SCHOOLING ,NO STRIKES NO STUDENT SHOOTINGS ANY WHERE JUSTQUIET ON LINE STUDY WITH ELECTRONIC TESTING ,SAVING TAX PAYERS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS NATION WIDE ,SO KEEP STRIKING AS ,OPTIONS ARE ALL ON THE TABLE .HOME SCHOOLING WILL TAKE HOLD I IN THIS ECONOMY .WHAT A FOOLYOU GUYS ARE YOUR GRADATUDE ,WAKE UP YOUVE BEEN REPLACED BY GREAT PEOPLE WITH COURAGE AND FAITH ,THAT THERE DESPORATE TO CROSS THE PICKETLINE LOOKING FOR A DECENT JOB ,SO WELCOME TO BEING UNEMPLOYED HOW MUCH HEALTH CARE DO YOU HAVE NOW NONE .HOW MUCH PAY DO YOU HAVE NOW ,NONE KEEP DRINKING YOUR STARBUCKS COFFEE TILLYOUR GOOD AND BROKE .THAN GRAB A TIN CUP AND BEG FOR MONEY AS NO ONE WANTS TO HAVE A SPOILED BRAT TEACHER PLEASE EXCUSE MY SPELLING AND EDICQUITE AS IM A STGVL GRADUATE

About time these teachers face the facts. There are other people wandering this earth with teaching degrees just like you that would love the opportunity to do something they love to do. It seems to me that the current teachers are protecting "their" turf. What they dont realize is that, that so called turf is not theirs, its the communities. We allow them to teach in our city. If you dont like the conditions, or the pay or the benefits....you can leave. Someone will replace you in a second. And since that teacher is new, they are going to go out of their way to impress those students, the principal, the board and the other teachers. Do you really want a 30 year veteran teaching english for the 30th time going through the motions just counting the days until that first STRS check comes in the mail? Or do you want a new, vibrant, hungry teacher willing to go the extra mile?

Human Nature says...complacency sets in when we get very comfortable in our surroundings.

GORDEN RUTH, TIMES ARE CHANGING OUR CITY CANNOT KEEP PAYING PROPERTY TAX FOR THESE OVER PAID UNDER WORKED TEACHERS ,LOOK AT YOUR TAX BILL AND SE HOW MUCH OF OUR PROPERTY TAX GOES TO THE TEACHERS ITS A CRIME STRONG ARMED ROBBERY IS ONCE IN A LIFE TIME .TAXES ARE TWICE A YEAR ,WE PAY OVER 3800 A YEAR TAX IN THIS TOWN AND THE MAJIORITYT OF THE MONEY GOES TO THE STGVL CITY SCHOOLS ,THERE PAID TOP 13 DISTRICTS IN OHIO , ARE THE CITIZENS IN STRONGSVILLE THE TOP 13 HIGEST PAYED PEOPLE IN THE STATE NO.

why do you ask?

i will tell you..but why do you want to know?

FOR THE PERSON CALLED ME A RACEST I AM AMERICIAN THATS MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A JELLEY FISH LIKE YOU

why does my profession have any bearing on my comments?

GOD BLESS AMERICA AND THE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN WILLING TO CROSS THE PICKET LINE TO REPLACE THE LOESERS ,AND THEY CANNOT EVEN GET UNEMPLOYEMENT AUH DOES THE BABY WANT HIS SILVER SPOON,, CANT HAVE IT,ITS TIME TO LEAVE YOUR COMMIE BRAINWASHING CLASS ROOM YOU ARE NOW WITH OUT A JOB JOKER TIME FOR ANOTHER STARBUCKS MAN

Cancelling a scheduled board meeting during a crisis? Looks like the school board is also on strike. Since they don't want to do anything, let's replace them all too!

I pulled this off the comment section off fox8

I understand reasons for going on strike being I am in a union myself. I have to ask why though do you have to act like ignorant idiots. You say you love your job and that it is for the kids but you attack replacements with verbal taunts and total disrespect. We're you not once looking for a job yourself? You preach about anti-bullying but you are being the bullies. Grow up and take a look in the mirror and practice what you preach or teach!

Board Meetings are open venues. Anyone can show up. How much work will get done with those jack ass teachers chanting and yelling during the meeting?

You seriously are a dumb ass CandidResident!!!

I was at an elementary school today as well and while it is a little chaotic we survived. With about 70% of the children attending the classes were crowded. The principal met us at the door and invited us in to met the subs. Once the kids went to class the floor was opened to questions. The top question from the parents, "How long do the teachers have to be on strike before we can fire them?" Parents are not happy and are losing what little sympathy they had for the teachers and their lack of fair compensation

what was the answer Tracy on the question of how long?

BREAKING: SEA teachers unanimously vote to rename strike: Occupy KFC

Unfortunately they do not believe its an option although they are studying the RI strike to see what they can do. We were also told they believe the strike will go much longer than expected because OEA is picking up Cobra payments, and this has turned into more than just Strongsville striking. Also all of our subs were real teachers they have degrees in education and everything, all of them actually have taught in elementary. The principal provide the subs names along with the ode site where we could check their credentials.

You know CandidResident, I have been reading your comments, everytime a parent or someone posts a positive comment, you try to turn it negative with all these statements, and or facts. You can say all you want, but come off as a teacher. All StrongsvilleMom was posting, was the positive that happened with her child. What, you didn't like to hear that, Well News Flash, You are coming off as the "flaming idiot"!!!

striking teachers are losing ther jobs good jobs are hard to find idiots

Listen, I give them one pay period tops. Once they miss a check, their passion for "the cause" will quickly wane. Strike pay won't even put gas in their SUV. These people need a reality check and some manners. They look like animals on camera. There's a right way to do things.

My daughter goes to a Strongsville school and it was not chaos in school today. Some of the subs actually got really good feedback from the students. My daughter told me that the striking teachers told the students to act up and bring their phones to try and show the "chaos" going on. I am shocked at the teachers bahaviors. Did anyone know that the many of the teachers cleaned their desks out well over a week ago and started their propaganda with the kids then. I know that some of the teachers did not want to strike and I hope they will return to class soon. I am done with supporting the teachers anymore after seeing them on the news and hearing from people at school, they make me ashamed to say I am from Strongsville.
I would like to see some parents up at the admin. offices to protest the strike.
I have looked for a job for over a year and finally got one making only 70% of what I make before I lost my job. WHERE'S THE GRATITUDE?

I heard on TV that 1 teacher crossed the picket line.
Hats off to her!
I wish more teachers would follow her example.

And I just don't get why others don't.
If the teachers feel they are taking a pay cut and this contract being proposed is worse than before, then why would they strike and give up the pay and benefits they currently have? After all, once the previous contract expired, they are still covered by the terms of that - they really are not without a contract, its just the old one continuing. Kinda like a month to month lease after your years lease expires. Why do you think they have been working since the beginning of school year without a whimper until now?

sure glad they picked march 4th to strike since their insurance is now paid till april 1st
The board needs to stand firm and let the teachers make their own health payment for once, just to see how the rest of us have to do it

I like the idea of a "citizen" rally in support of the BOE.

From what I've seen in the media and what I've endured getting in and out of the school driveway, I don't think I want them back save a select few. I feel if they would stoop so low as to behave as they did yesterday and today as well as post a wall of shame with photos of the subs, I would not put it past them to retaliate against my kid. You think you know people. Still shaking my head.

Richard...you can buy the teacher who crossed the line today lunch. I'm going to offer to make her mortgage payments this year. THIS woman is what courage is all about and I commend her for doing the right thing against tremendous pressure from the flock of SEA sheep mindlessly barking out chants outside today. I truly have the utmost respect for her. Citizens of Strongsville should hold her up on a pedestal...bc this is actually one teacher that's in it "for the kids."

About that "No Bullying" Policy -

Are teachers exempt from the anti-bullying policy?
Or is their harassment, intimidation, and bullying acceptable because they are teachers, but the students should not follow the example that the teachers have set.

This is from the Districts website -
Regarding :
POLICY 5517.01
BULLYING AND OTHER FORMS OF AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR

"At least semi-annually, the Superintendent shall provide to the President of the Board a written summary of all reported incidents and post the summary on the District web site (if one exists).
The list shall be limited to the number of verified acts of harassment, intimidation, and/or bullying,whether in the classroom, on school property, to and from school, or at
school-sponsored events. Allegations of criminal misconduct and suspected child abuse will be reported to the appropriate law enforcement agency and/or to Child Protective Services in accordance with statute. District personnel shall cooperate with investigations by such agencies."

Looks like the teachers should know this type of activity is not tolerated.

I came across this below that was written for the teachers to follow, sounds like the outline for many of the comments on here, doesn't it??

Attention everyone! To get the word out to the Strongsville community and support our teachers, please write a letter to the editor to the Strongsville Post. Here are some notes to keep in mind when writing the letter:
-No name calling. Tensions are running high, but we need to be diplomatic to get our point across. Critiquing is allowed.
-Try to keep the letter related to the economy, cuts/sacrifices teachers have taken, extra duties taken, how much time & effort teachers put in (it’s not just 180 days & 7 hrs/day), what will be lost if teachers are negatively impacted by unfair contract (letters of rec/extra cirrics/support etc)
-Definitely include how teachers have positively impacted you and your future
-Be personal (emotional stories are effective) but also make sure to include the subject of education and how students and the community will be affected because the focus of the opposition is salary & benefits
-Before submitting, have someone look over the letter to offer suggestions for any revisions and any additions/subtractions.

I heard a rumor that a few of the teachers were arrested today? Is this true?

If SHS is in such chaos, maybe it's because they are being the disrepectful teenagers that they are nowadays. Maybe they should show some respect to the substitutes. No one likes what is going on, but we all don't have to be so hateful. None of us are being good role models at this point. And as far as healthcare and wages and having more help...try working for the county-no cost of living increase for 8 years and we keep paying out more and more for our healthcare, and yes we are paid by the taxpayers dollars also. But guess what, take what you get or go find a job elsewhere. We are reminded daily that we should all be glad that we have a job!

The reason the high school students were being disrespectful to the subs is they want their REAL teachers back. The ones who are actually certified to teach these subjects and they will do what it takes to get them back. They were trying to show the board what school will be like until they their teachers back.

JUST LIKE YOUR PARENT TAUGHT YOU ----> they will do what it takes to get them back. They were trying to show the board what school will be like until they their teachers back.

No actually this is what I've taught myself. My parents do not force their opinions on me. they let me choose what to believe

I am tired of hearing "get a real job" as if teaching isn't? If they have it so good and it isn't a real job, why isn't everyone taking the easy way out and being teachers? My husband is a teacher. He left his first career to go back to school to get his license, not for the money (he makes less than half of what he did), not for the benefits (at 44 he will not have the years in AND he won't be able to collect social security even though he paid into it for 22 years AND he is on my medical because it is BETTER AND CHEAPER than his), not for the union, not for the hours (he works longer hours than I do), and not for the summers off (because he uses that time to stay up on his continuing education requirements) he does it because of the kids. He is an elementary teacher and the kids truly enjoy his goofy sense of humor, but he works. It's a real job with real demands, real stresses (how many of you have 7 year olds asking you to be their daddy because their real daddy left them?) He cleans poop and pee of the floor because parents can't wait to send their kids off to full day kindergarten even though the are not ready. He calls parents about concerns with children and their response is: "I don't have time for this, you deal with him." I could go on and on. And that isn't even the true demands of the job! It's sad. How much should a teacher make? What benefits should they get? And how do they answer these questions? The lack of respect for teachers is AMAZING.

I agree with lizzie. Teachers work a lot harder than people realize and they deserve more respect.

Lyn, I don't believe I said he needed his summers off I said he didn't make the decision to become a teacher because of summers off. And I didn't say that those in the private sector aren't hard workers. I am one of them. I also didn't say anything about economic difficulties, adjusting, or raises. My comment was about the lack of respect for teachers. And I ask "How much should a teacher make?" not because of the raise issue, but because this board is full of people calling them greedy.

And John, we are not for the union. In fact, my husband would love to get rid of the union. And there is no free 401K. PERS is a pension he is required to pay into (more than our federal income tax) and the district contributes a percentage as well. He also would be for a longer work year because he feels he doesn't have enough time in 9 months to do what is expected of him, but you would have known that if you asked instead of assuming.

Lyn - i do not believe the problem is with people being entitled to their own opinion. I think the real problem is people believing that they are entitled to other people's money

Absolutely everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I agree that the behavior I am hearing about, if true (and I say that solely because I have not witnessed it firsthand), is certainly not helping their cause, but the lack of respect for teachers is a continuing and ongoing issue ....

what a lot of people are forgetting is that pension pickup option instead of the raise back in the 90s is not what was actually given at the time
back in the 90s a top scale teacher made around 40,000.00 which put that raise (4+3+3) or 10.2% pension pickup at about 4300.00 ...the problem is that it did not stay at 4300.00 it kept growing with every new contract which it now sits for the top scale 80,000.00 teachers at 8600.00 or doubled what it was given at, and to the credit of the NEW superintendent noticed this and...... it is now going to get removed
these teachers should be very fortunate that the offer to convert that into a 9.2% addition to their salary instead of the 4300.00 from the 90s rate which it was meant as

Kim, He doesn't work for S'ville, and he doesn't have a choice.
John, I never said they were overworked, or underpaid, I said they aren't respected.
Myron, Until the education system is addressed, property taxes pay the schools, the schools pay the teachers. They are entitled to be compensated for a job, the same way you are.

Its hard to respect the STRONGSVILLE teachers after the way they have behaved.

Its like they all watched some old movie where these big burly, beer guzzling guys got vocal and rowdy. But, I don't believe I have witnessed this kind of behavior from any union workers - on the news or in the paper - except from teachers.

These are individuals who want to think of themselves as professionals. But, their behavior says otherwise. And, its not a movie and you have lost much of the support you might have had because of your tantrums. Those tantrums you would not tolerate from your children or students. And, would you stand for another adult doing these same things to you, away from this time when you are demanding the BOE to fork over what you want?

Lets say its just a normal time a year from now...
What if someone got in your face say at the grocery store and started yelling at you?
What if a bunch of people just stood around staring at your home for 90 minutes?
What if you were holding a meeting and a bunch of people came in or stood just outside and started yelling and were disruptive?
What if you were at the mall and someone started beating on your car?store
What if a bunch of people wouldn't let you leave a store by forming a barricade?

I guess, Tracy and all, these actions would be perfectly okay with you. You would not have any poor opinion of the ones doing these things.

Lizzie...not sure what exactly you are arguing here. My point was that no person is entitled to anything based on their degree or how much more important they think their occupation is than yours. And more importantly, why on earth should a tax payer be forced to fund 100% of a teachers pension and 90% of their health care cost...AND then also be responsible to cover the entire cost of their own retirement and healthcare on top of it? Please explain to us how this is "fair" without using the word "deserve" bc that is an emotional plea that holds zero argumentative weight. Tell you what, ill be happy to say you are right and teachers don't feel entitled to other ppls money when you and the teachers start contributing to my 401K and my healthcare costs? Does that sound "fair" to you?

Not arguing, just addressing your comment: "Lyn - i do not believe the problem is with people being entitled to their own opinion. I think the real problem is people believing that they are entitled to other people's money."

My comment was about the way it works right now. I don't know about any sense of entitlement to your money as much as entitlement to be paid for their work. You pay property taxes, the taxes go to the schools, and the schools pay the teachers. And they are entitled to be compensated. As far as the benefits, it does seem, if what everyone is saying is true, that they have a rather extensive package. I can understand that frustration.

To your last questions: teachers and everyone else who buys your company's products or services do contribute to your salary and benefits.

That is not my comment - that was Myron's comment to me.

But I will comment on your statement
" teachers and everyone else who buys your company's products or services do contribute to your salary and benefits."

But people have a choice whether or not to purchase those products or services - unlike paying public sector employees.