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Traffic Peeves? City Wants to Know

Council will look at areas where flow is poor, signals aren't effective

 

Councilman Joe DeMio wants to get traffic moving in Strongsville.

The at-large councilman is asking his colleagues to come up with a list of areas in town where traffic bogs down or places where signals don't keep cars flowing like they should.

"We need to try to solve traffic issues around town," DeMio said.

He's also asking residents to call their council rep and pinpoint areas where they get stuck.

(If you like, you can leave your comment at the end of this story and we'll forward it to DeMio).

Once he gets a list of the biggest problem areas, DeMio wants to start working on fixes, either with better-synchronized signals or new traffic patterns.

"We'll let the (city) engineer and the police know what we think is needed for better traffic flow," he said.

A big part of Pearl Road is already under study. The signals on Pearl Road from Westwood to Ellsworth are still being synchronized following the widening project.

Council is expected to discuss the list at its next caucus Feb. 20.

Related Topics: Councilman Joe DeMio, traffic problems strongsville, and traffic signals strongsville

Rick Beechy

6:54 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Turning left off Royalton road into the road that goes to Costco is a nightmare

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Rick Beechy

6:55 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Going East on 82 and all the idiots that cut you off to go north on 71. They should all be ticketed

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Mark Kylemore

7:38 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Joe wants to know? Is this a joke? Joe, drive around town for a week. You will get a good idea. Pet peeves? Left turn signal at 82&Pearl to head north on Pearl. What? 4-5 cars make it thru. During noon hour, put a semi in there and 1 maybe 2 make it though per cycle. A joke. Also love the frequent red lights outside the police station to let the cars out from CVS.

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Tammi Suts

8:01 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Turning left from Shurmer onto Howe Road, you can sit at that red light for up to 5 minutes. Also putting up a no turn on red onto 82 from Howe Road.

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Stephanie Cruz

8:25 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Every morning I wait in the same line as many others to get from Howe onto 82 in order to get onto 71 northbound and the rude people that fly by in the left center lane to pass all of us up in the correct lane and then cut us all off is frustrating and I agree with Rick Beechy, they should all be ticketed. Better yet, put up a barrier so when they turn that corner, they will be surprised that they can no longer cut the rest of us off and have to wait in line like everyone else!

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James Heinrich

8:38 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Turning left off Pearl Rd north bound, to Route 82 west bound, only three or four cars get through. Same ridiculously short timing as mentioned above by M.K. There are either NO traffic sensors in the pavement or they don't work.

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tom m

4:20 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012

that has been addressed many times before and according to the city as well as ODOT there are 2 right lanes for traffic and the far right lane is for the 71 south traffic and once the southbound traffic enters the onramp lane all north bound traffic can merge ....but please continue to show your driving knowledge ...this barrier you speak of how would those exiting best buy get into your barrier lane ... but I do want to thank you and all those other drivers who sit 75 cars deep in the right hand lane in the morning on Howe road as I pass you in the left lane I smile knowing you are in back of me on the highway

Connie Huber

8:48 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

When leaving the Rec in the morning, we all sit at the light waiting to get onto rt. 82, often over 2 minutes. I've heard the excuse about "traffic flow" but at 7 AM there are times when there are absolutely NO cars in sight going east or west on 82. Can they not install a sensor so those of us going to work can get on with our day? I've seen too many people turning left on red because of the wait.

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Tinkerbell

9:03 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

There should be a red on red at 82 and Howe to go East. Also for the previous people the right lane is actually for 71 south . So yes let's us put up that barrier for all in the right lane.

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Alexandria Blair Crites Scott

9:08 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

It is awful when heading east on 82 to turn left into the plaza at Southpark. I'm not sure who thought that it was a good idea to only let 4 or 5 cars through at a time. It was especially nightmarish at Christmastime. The turning lane is not big enough to hold the volume, so traffic was backed up so far on 82 that it took forever to get anywhere. Even though Christmas is over, it is still tricky to get into that shopping plaza. Also, turning left into Pearl from eastbound on 82 can be awful sometimes. The light is not long enough to let more than a few through, you are almost guaranteed to not get through until at least another turn. Also, the light at Shurmer and Howe can be a bit long. I was stopped there they other day trying to turn left..I had just gotten to the light when it turned red, so I waited. As the light was turning yellow for the traffic on Howe, an ambulance came with its sirens going, which caused the light to reset itself and I got stuck at that intersection while I waited for the whole cycle again, which was very frustrating.

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Al

12:26 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Do you remember when Mayor Perciak commented that he avoids this area of town? I do

rollington

10:25 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

My problems are more light issues than traffic issues.

I don't understand why it takes literally 100 seconds (I've counted) to turn left from Albion onto Pearl, even in the middle of the night. It's actually faster to turn right on red, turn left into the Brooker Building's driveway and back out than to wait for that light to change. Other lights, such as Whitney & Pearl, have different timings at different times of day, and it would be nice if this one did too.

The same issue exists at Whitney & W 130th, but I don't know if that's considered North Royalton's problem. This could even just be a flashing red light during off-peak hours. It's ridiculous to wait over a minute and a half to turn left from Whitney when only one or two cars are driving W 130th. But when there IS traffic on Whitney, the light is so short that not even 6 cars can get through.

My daily traffic hurdle is going north on Pearl just before Whitney. I have to be in the right lane to turn onto Whitney, yet this lane is also clogged with people going straight ahead to the various shopping centers. I guess they'd rather wait through 3 cycles of the light than move over to the left lane, where sometimes there are literally no cars. Meanwhile we're backed up all the way to the bridge, or even the turnpike exit. But I don't see any way to fix that other than adding a right turn only lane by Mad Cactus. Or a sign that says "If you're not turning right, do yourself a favor and get in the left lane!"

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Pam

11:19 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

For me the nightmare is Howe Road...I work in the Mall, and trying to turn left into the side entrance there is NO left turn signal...your dicing with death with the onoming traffic...

You need to get rid of the first traffic light going down Howe from the Mall, the traffic would move much faster....

Do something please...and all these SLOW STUPID drivers that DO NOT KEEP UP WITH TRAFFIC, AND TAKE AGES TO THINK ABOUT MOVING WHEN THE LIGHT TURNS GREEN...come on, get a MOVE ON...they are worse than the traffic lights, they are the problem.. read the signs 35 MILES AN HOUR not 5... WAKE UP PEOPLE.

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Al

12:25 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

As a motorcycle rider the sensors in the road don't recognize the motorcycle, you could wait forever (literally) and the signal will not change, until a car enter it's range. MC riders wait until it's safe and then go against the red kight and the law. This is basically but unoffically accepted by police. Comments to the powers to be were ignored until the bikers(taxpayers) just gave up.

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Jay

12:34 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

In addition to the aforementioned, the intersection @ Pearl & Westwood driving east is horrific, especially during the holidays. It took 5 light changes to turn right (south) and I was the 3rd car in line. Cars repeatedly block the intersection, so there is no access when the light is green. Cars on the other side, waiting to turn left, rarely yield,
and it ends up being a gridlock.

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Marj

2:22 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

I agree with all of the above...but my two biggest pet peeves are: 1. going north on Pearl and making a left on Royalton Rd -82 (to go west). 2. Making a left from Shurmer onto to Howe. So, so frustrating!!!!

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Kathleen Savas

2:36 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Turning left onto West 130th from Boston Road going east. When it is very early in the morning (5A-6:30A) you have to wait very long to turn. No one is on the road at times and it takes forever to turn left.

Kathy

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Gene Cummings

3:21 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Count me as another one agreeing with northbound on Pearl, turning left to head west on 82. Sometimes, only a semi makes it through. If we race and everyone is on the ball, sometimes four cars can make it through. I have literally waited through four light changes. Also agree with westwood, making a right onto Pearl. The Pearl road traffic blocks anyone from getting off westwood. Have been the third car or so, yet stuck there through numerous light changes.

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Steve McIntyre

4:01 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Rt 42 southbound from Shurmer to Drake you can stop at three or four lights.This is a $2,000,000 plus system on a US route intersected by residential streets, not very green or efficient.Should have got a grant for the $3,000,000 system.

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Linda Orient

4:21 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

When turning west on Rte 82 from Pearl Rd. (N) there are 2 lanes that could/should allow cars through. One lane is striped off/not for use. Now that 82 is widened why can't we use that middle left turn lane also? Same for the entrance to Costco. Two lanes exist, but only one is available for use. During the holidays, traffic backs up so far on 82 that it interferes with the mall entrance. It doesn't make sense.

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Laura

4:47 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

One thing that works, for me at least, is the light at Pearlview and Royalton which allows people coming or going to/from their homes, CVS, and the Mexican restaurant. I live at Royalton Greens. Trying to turn left out of the apartments is made easier when someone triggers the light at Pearlview to turn red. Yes, the wait for someone to do so might take a while, but I am usually patient. Knowing I can leave the apartment grounds safely is more important than trying to do so quickly.

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kirby

6:12 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Put a real traffic light at Hunt Road and Drake with sensors. People sit at the flashing red waiting forever to figure out who should go next. The Royalton Road/I-71 entrance/exit ramps are a nightmare and should be majorly reconfigured. Similarly, Pearl Road and Westwood is a complete mess. A left turn signal should be added for those turning into the mall off of Howe Road at the first stop light. How about drivers remember that the law is "right on red after a complete stop and checking to make sure traffic is clear"???? So tired of being cutoff by people turning right on red after barely tapping their breaks. The use of headlights when there is any precipitation and turn signals would ease traffic problems as well folks.

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Lisa Moore

8:13 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Concerning the light at Pearlview and 82. It's horrible. If there's snow on the ground, the senors rarely work. There are times when the lights on 82 change to red, but the light on Pearlview never chances and the 82 light turns back to green (even the crosswalk lights signal that the light on Pearlview will be changing but then it doesn't). This is the only safe way to turn west onto 82 during the day, but it does not work consistently.

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mike urban

10:20 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012

the light at howe and shurmer needs to be reconfigured or have sensors to account for the traffic flow at the diferent times of day. waiting for the cycle to change when no one is coming wastes time and fuel. I saw better traffic flow many times when the light was inoperative. I also see little response of any of these sensors in the city to control traffic. It seems to be a waste of money.

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Susan

10:50 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012

Biggest problem? Getting onto I-71. First, please RESTORE THE "RIGHT TURN ON RED (CURB LANE ONLY) for traffic on Howe Road turning east onto Royalton, especially during non-rush hour times. A waste of time and gas sitting there during the day when there are no cars coming from Royalton eastbound. When it is busy, cars back up in the right turn lane. Then, the cars who don't want to wait in that lane because its too long start pulling into the second right turn lane - which is for traffic going straight on Royalton. When the lights turns green, all of the cars from the second turn lane race ahead to cut off the cars in the right lane for I-71. At the very least there should be lane signs or markers on Royalton eastbound and Howe northbound that say "Royalton Road ONLY" and "I-71 ONLY". After that I would install those post type lane dividers to separate the lanes so cars can't cut over. It won't take drivers long to figure it out. I'm amazed there aren't more accidents in this area.

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tom m

11:36 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012

the 2 right turn lanes off howe has been addressed many times before and according to the city as well as ODOT there are 2 right turn lanes for traffic and the far right lane is for the 71 south traffic and once the southbound traffic enters the onramp lane all north bound traffic can merge .and a question for you ....this post type lane dividers you speak of how would those exiting best buy get into your divided lane ...and also you are forgetting that after BP the lanes go from 3 to 4 eastbound lanes so not until AFTER BP the 4th lane is a 71 south only and not until After the 71 north off ramp does the right 3rd lane 71 north only onramp begin (thats what those pretty solid white stripes mean)

Susan

11:02 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012

Second biggest problem? Drivers running red lights, and one of the worst intersections is Pearl and Royalton. Over and over again I have sat on Royalton Road headed east while westbound Royalton traffic that is turning left/south onto Pearl road runs the light AFTER the left turn arrow has turned red. I can understand one car getting through late, but often it's one, two, three, four, and even five cars running the red light AFTER THE EASTBOUND TRAFFIC LIGHT IS GREEN. And, because there is a light on Pearl that sometimes turns red and is set to accomodate the correct number of cars turning left, the overflow then backs up into the intersection, and nobody moves. Drivers seem to have the attitude that because they've had to wait a long time to turn, no one else matters, and they keep following each other through the red lights. Can't we install a traffic camera or photo enforcement at this intersection? (Drivers, if you follow the traffic laws you have nothing to worry about.) Running red lights and/or tying up the entire intersection is both extremely dangerous and inconsiderate.

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Phil

11:50 pm on Saturday, February 11, 2012

Once you finally get past the long signal from Howe Rd to 82 eastbound you are always stopped for the light at 71 southbound. Then you have to sit at a red signal for what seems like an eternity waiting as the light allows 82 westbound to enter 71 south (which is usually about 3 cars) and then even extra time for exiting 71 south traffic to go 82 eastbound. The lights hold traffic way too long for 82 eastbound traffic, especially in the morning. That's why you have people like tom m speeding and cutting you off trying to get onto 71 northbound in the morning.

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Marie Hamilton

7:35 am on Sunday, February 12, 2012

The corner of Pearl and 82 is the worst. Only 3-4 cars can legally turn left from Pearl to 82 and that's only if the cars in front of you are paying attention. This means that 2-3 usually are turning illegally on red cutting off traffic. Any left turn signal should allow the waiting cue to empty...that cue holds 8-9 cars. They should be able to turn just like the traffic coming from the other direction.

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John Simanella

12:59 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012

Albion west, at Prospect. Middle of the night, no traffic on Prospect, and light stays red. If you back up 100', and pull back to the line, it'll sometimes trigger it.

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Runnergirl

1:42 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012

Put an entrance ramp to 71 off Boston. That would solve all the issues down Howe and the intersection at 82 & Howe.

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Pam

8:08 pm on Sunday, February 12, 2012

Replying to the last comment, YES, why on earth does someone not have the brains to realise they should have put an entrance ramp to 71 off Boston a long time ago... does anyone have brains that runs this city..... we pay more than enough taxes here....

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lyn

10:26 am on Monday, March 5, 2012

Our taxes are going for the widening of Pearl from Drake to Boston - and I have NEVER seen a traffic problem there, in over 30 years of living near this location.
But, guess who owns almost all that vacant property across from Petitti, and some up the hill and at the corner? CATANZARITE (the mayor said the widening project will cost $11+ million)
Maybe if that family wanted an exit at Boston Rd. from 71, we would get it!

gerri kody

8:03 am on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Im barely able to sit here at comp. thjis a.m. due to very bad near accident at exit for westbound 82 0ff 71 s...The traffic was backed up on and well beyond exit ramp a mile onto hi way where I nearly rolled my vehicle trying to stop for standstill traffic after i switched lanes. May be my fault I was distracted trying to get over never anticipating back u
p at 2 pm on a weekday. lost work ect now w back injury!

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lyn

9:35 am on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Sorry to hear of your back injury. Hope will heal soon.
Unfortunately, as I mentioned above, this city is more intent on spending money on useless projects than taking care of much need improvements throughout the city.

Pam

10:04 am on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Sorry to hear of your back injury...What is this city waiting for.... get on with it.. so much time is wasted sitting at stupid trsffic lights.... the traffic now near the mall is horrendous... you never see such a back up of traffic in England.... unless there is an accident...every day you see it hear..

Something needs to be done NOW.. STOP DISCUSSING IT, JUST DO IT..... CITY MEMBERS....

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James Murphy

10:31 am on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

pam what would you do to fix the problem I mean what would you do different right now near the mall to make traffic better (teach us the english method) as you posted "JUST DO IT" ok do what

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Pam

10:36 am on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Well James in England we have roundabouts... and somehow traffic moves alot quicker..and just perhaps the traffic lights work better than here in Strongsville.. it is not an English American thing, James, just commenting because I see these traffic backups every single day...

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James Murphy

11:30 am on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

the traffic backup would be for miles at evening rush hour traffic going west on 82 would have right of way and also westbound traffic turning onto howe so 82 eastbound traffic would have to yeild to those cars already in the loop turning onto howe the 2 gas stations would also close due to creating your roundabout ...so really that was your idea ..its 11am and the traffic is fine right now no backups (90% of the time no backups) 2 hours at rushour I can live with it
this goes with living in a busy city full of working folks

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lyn

11:52 am on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

"this goes with living in a busy city full of working folks"
NO! There is no good reason that this should be so much worse than the 480/Great Northern area. Its called priorities, and where the city and mayor directs the funds and attention to the city "needs". This area is only going to get worse and to wait to see if the state will fix is absolutely irresponsible. Forget the dream for now of widening the rest of Pearl - that DOES NOT NEED DONE NOW! Fix what is a problem now - and it is a safety issue!

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James Murphy

12:08 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

SO lyn what would you do to to fix the problem .you do have the answer right please tell us the solution
also lyn back when people used to go to great northern there was horrible backups but great northern traffic is fine now since not as many people go to shop there anymore (they go to strongsville)

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joe simonton

12:32 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

I do not see a problem with heavy traffic at "rush hour" BUT I would suggest that there be no lefts into BP from Howe and no rights from Howe into marathon between the hours of 4-6 pm this is what I see backs up traffic through the intersection causing traffic to come to a dead stop

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James Murphy

1:21 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

ALSO lyn wrote "There is no good reason that this should be so much worse than the 480/Great Northern area." I looked it up and its not howe/82 is ranked 33rd worst and and great northers /480 is ranked 20th worst (right off NOACA report) Lyn that is called fact checking

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lyn

1:40 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

James-
I guess you answered my other question. You just want to argue.
Regarding my reference to 480/Great Northern, I was not talking about the accident rate. I was referring to this, printed earlier on The Patch:

Figures show that a whopping 54,000 vehicles a day go through that intersection, many headed to I-71 or the shopping district.
Even more travel the Pearl-Royalton intersection -- more than 56,000 a day.
Compare that to the intersection at Great Northern Mall at I-480, which only sees 36,000 vehicles a day.

I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear. I'll try it another way. There's no good reason this city can't recognize and correct traffic and safety problems. Period.

I'm done with this volley of words with you.

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lyn

1:48 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Howe-Royalton area is the intersection mentioned with the 54,000.
Sorry, missed it when I copied it.

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joe simonton

1:56 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

so howe/82 has 54000 cars a day and ranked 33rd worst and great northern/480 has 36000 cars a day and is 20th worst enough said so great job strongsville

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lyn

2:04 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

joe - Can't tell if you are being facetious. You think 33 is ok? But, even so, I would like to see the traffic issue fixed, the long lines of cars gone, the long wait on 82 to disappear.

Pam

12:13 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Did I say a roundabout was the solution for that area..no I did not... The whole thing is one big mess....and what is your solution seeing as you see to know the answer to it all.

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James Murphy

12:20 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

so you are just a complainer who offers no ideas no solutions just complaints
and I never complained about the traffic I understand that traffic backs up at rush hour let me make sure you understand me clearly NOBODY IS FORCED TO DRIVE DURING RUSH HOUR PAST THE MALL

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joe simonton

12:35 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

then why did you even bring it up James asked you for your solution and you replied "Well James in England we have roundabouts"

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lyn

12:37 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

"NOBODY IS FORCED TO DRIVE DURING RUSH HOUR PAST THE MALL"
And, how do you suggest they get home? Work late? Get a different job? Move? Drive further south on 71, then drive north on side streets?
Its not just rush hour. There are other times when traffic is a problem and safety is an issue. Isn't that area #25 in the county for accident? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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James Murphy

12:56 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

lyn its 33rd most dangerous not 25th so yes you were wrong and yes there are plenty of other routes to avoid 82/howe get off at 303 and come up carpenter what you waste in distance you save in sitting you can get off at pearl and take prospect you can go east on 82 to west 130th

lyn

12:43 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

James, I'm sorry to say I'm not a traffic engineer or expert in the field. But if I were on council I sure would make it a priority to make sure that this was fixed or made better. If its adding lanes, fixing turn lanes, putting an additional south exit and north entrance at Boston or between Boston and 82, or SOMETHING! They should be spending the city funds on studies and plans to fix it NOW. As I said, it will only get worse, so why are we waiting?

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James Murphy

1:02 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

so you are just another complainer who offers no ideas no solutions just complaints boston interchange has nothing to do with strongsville that is ODOT (city would love for that to happen) go complain to odot about boston add a lane where change a light to what you post no ideas but vague comments no real solutions

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lyn

1:17 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Your suggestion of driving all over to avoid this area is ridiculous. And, I offered a few suggestions - but I don't know what is feasible.
And as for ODOT and the city, maybe if the city tried as hard to get another exit put in, as they have to get funding for the rest of Pearl widening, then maybe the problem would be solved. The mayor is going to various agencies to get funds for Pearl and working awfully hard to get that widening done, why not FIX 71/82 problem first? Again, PRORITIES!!
And, if its 33rd most dangerous, not 25, its still dangerous.
Why don't YOU want this problem fixed? You know darn well it will only be a bigger problem as time goes on. You seem to just want to argue or have some strange agenda, when we have people like Gerri with a back injury. And how many more with other issues.

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James Murphy

1:37 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Lyn I work downtown and howe road is nothing compaired to traffic backups I see everyday try going past e55th and woodland or into solon even 480 and ridge I have no agenda but since you brought it up do you want me to tell you what causes traffic backups PEOPLE NOT PAYING ATTENTION you brought up gerri getting in an accident NO gerri caused an accident (assured clearance distance) she drove into stopped traffic she was distracted
I see it all the time people sitting at green lights eating and talking on the phone people driving into a intersection at a red light blocking traffic people driving POS cars a traffic backup last month was due to a car stalled in the howe turn lane traffic was backed up for miles ( I was going south and saw the effect of 1 stalled car) the city can not be held blame for stupid people

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tom m

1:47 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

lyn usually I agree with you ....but in this case I think james might be correct ...I would blame bad drivers for starting the traffic backups before I would blame the city

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lyn

1:58 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

tom m - mutual admiration...but,
There is also a problem with the "quantity" of cars traveling through this area, as well as "quality" of drivers. If the drivers would put their phones down and pay attention, and take a deep breath, it would help. But unless a few people would be willing to move or work different shifts or stay away from the mall, we will continue to have this problem. Especially as the city courts new development.

Pam

1:42 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

My last comment on this is, why is James on here.. isn't this for traffic peeves...

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joe simonton

1:51 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

to make you look foolish (which he did) since you could not answer his question

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lyn

2:12 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

James/joe-
I should have realized I was talking to the same person. Same poor sentence structure, same poor use of words,..
Bye to both of you....

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joe simonton

3:53 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

Lyn right keep telling yourself that from all 3 of my comments
so just because I did not agree with your comments in yours and James's little 4th grade argument I must be the same person

Pam

5:23 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

I think you need to re think your comment.. I am most certainly not the foolish one. I do not lnow why both James and Joe are on here since they think it is all so perfect.... I will not respond to any more of your silly comments.

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tom m

5:56 pm on Tuesday, May 1, 2012

ok then I too will ask the same question you refuse to answer "pam what would you do to fix the problem I mean what would you do different right now near the mall to make traffic better (teach us the english method) as you posted "JUST DO IT" ok do what" ....since you are complaining the city should fix the traffic backups come on pam tell us how

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