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What Should Strongsville's New Year's Resolution Be?

If you could pick one for the city, what would you choose?

 

 

If you could pick a New Year's Resolution for the city of Strongsville, what would it be?

We posted the quesiton on our Facebook page today and got a few answers already, including:

"14 new lanes of traffic on Royalton Rd. to handle the influx of holiday motorists"

"Fix the traffic problems (they are only going to get worse, especially with the new Giant Eagle coming) AND for the winter months, have snowplow drivers be respectful of cleared sidewalks. So tired of digging out the bus stop."

Any other suggestions for the city? Post them in the Comments section below.

Related Topics: new year's resolution strongsville and strongsville traffic

sarah

1:50 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

My husband and I loooooove the new Strongsville sign on the side of 71. But it needs some spotlights! Also, with the talk of Sheetz and O'Charley's, let's finally dress up that side of Strongsville. It's about darn time!

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Sara

4:05 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Really? You're complaining about digging your bus stop out? You blame it on the snowplow drivers? You need a reality check! You're not entitled just because you live in Strongsville. Get over yourself. They have to do their job which is to make the road clear so that the bus your child is getting onto doesn't crash and hurt the children on the bus.

- Sara, 18 years old, Strongsville.

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Pete

7:01 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

They should indeed have someone plow the sidewalks before and past the hill at Valley Parkway. Not every adult in the city drives. However just one bus stop is not necessary.

Dr. Roseann M. Cyngier

10:07 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Don't start charging for trash removal. Terrible idea.

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Lisa

8:40 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

I was not informed they were going to start charging for trash removal....when is this supposed to start? I for one am tired of EVERY year or EVERY other year paying for a new school levy! My son has been out of Strongsville High five yrs ago and when he went, he NEVER exp. anything worth the levy passage! Enough already, make due with what you have! Or, here's a thought, make ONLY the people making babies, one after another, pay for the school THEIR children will be attending.

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Debbie Palmer

9:07 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Lisa, there are no plans to start charging for trash pick-up. The idea came up during a budget discussion when the mayor pointed out that a number of other cities now charge a fee. He said Strongsville's healthy business base is generating enough tax revenue that the city is not considering it in 2013, although it could become a possibility down the road sometime.

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Lisa

9:23 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

Maybe if the businesses were more likable to frequent, the city would make more. I am tired of nail salons, tanning salons, sushi bars...we need a good chinese restraurant, we need a SAMS CLUB....I was so sorry to see Border's leave, I wish Strongsville would get something close to them again! Most businesses in Strongsville are overpriced, yuppy places and not customer, frequent friendly places. And please stop taking trees down to make EMPTY store fronts, we have enough of those. Can Strongsville still be pretty, does every inch of Strongsville have to be built on?

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lyn

10:44 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

If they are going to continue to develop, there should be some minimum mandatory amount of the property allocated to landscaping - so that the businesses are nicely located among trees and green space instead of concrete. And this should include some required minimum street frontage landscaping as well.
I also agree that there is a need for some moderate priced places, like IHOP or Bob Evans. Not a bunch of fast food, but not the overpriced eateries either. Whatever happened to having someplace like an Eat-n-Park where you could get a family meal and breakfast buffet?
Not for a SAMS club, though - trying to get away from that North Olmsted/Parma look.

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lyn

10:48 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013

And, yes - bring in Barnes and Noble to fill the loss of Borders.

Lisa

12:17 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

I happen to LOVE Sam's Club..not a big fan of Cosco. I am also tired of seeing day care centers popping up everywhere! If your trying to get away from Olmsted/Parma look to late, have you gone to the mall lately? The atmosphere is looking... just that! Strongsville doesn't need anymore areas cleared away for more overpriced businesses, we need to fill in what we have and FIX the traffic problems!

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Lisa

12:18 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

I happen to LOVE Sam's Club..not a big fan of Cosco. I am also tired of seeing day care centers popping up everywhere! If your trying to get away from Olmsted/Parma look, to late, have you gone to the mall lately? The atmosphere is looking... just that! Strongsville doesn't need anymore areas cleared away for more overpriced businesses, we need to fill in what we have and FIX the traffic problems!

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sportsman

8:12 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013

how about lowering taxes NOW THAT IS JOKE?????????????????////HAHA

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tom m

5:20 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

to get together with the cleveland metroparks to finally put a all purpose trail at the end of greenbreir drive (which is right at Hunt and Drake) so the south half of strongsville has direct access to the hike and bike trails

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Jean Williams

10:07 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

I agree a permanent trail from Greenbrier to the metros picnic area would be welcome and I think well used

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Pete

3:03 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

In the summer when I heard about the new trail at Royalview I assumed it was a paved bike trail going through but it wasn't so I walked not rode. We need that to be made and go past the fence at the top. It should hit Hunt and Drake unless I'm wrong.

Pete

8:29 pm on Friday, January 4, 2013

It's irresponsible to not have the sidewalks shoveled. Not every adult in the city drives and going up Pearl in the winter is really hard. To not do anything is irresponsible. The Veterans Memorial path between the Castletown playground and the Ehrnfelt Recreation Center wasn't plowed when I tried to use it between Christmas and New Years. Not doing it over the holidays is understandable and ok but it shouldn't be like that all through the winter.

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Tom Brennan

7:18 am on Saturday, January 5, 2013

FYI, there is a city ordinance requiring homeowners to shovel their sidewalks within a "reasonable" time frame following a snowfall. Call the building department, not the PD, and they will issue warnings as needed. As far as not clearing walks on city property, there is no excuse with all the workers the service department employs........

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Pete

3:05 pm on Saturday, January 5, 2013

We do need a paved trail at Royalview not a non paved one we got. It should go past the fence at the top.

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Ruby

2:57 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Sara, it is all about having the kids being safe. Most kids stand in the street because the snow is plowed and mounded right on top the entry to the sidewalks. When snow is plowed by the foot, turns to ice, etc. . it is impossible to dig through especially if someone has a bad back, is injured, has medical problems, etc. A simple solutuon is to have the snow plowed a foot over from the sidewalk opening. Which ensures that the kids are safe and no longer have to stand in the street waiting for there bus. Just a side note, the attitude should be dropped. You can voice an opinion without being nasty and rude.

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Pete

6:18 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

You could have just hit reply on her comment. Anyway she's young and anyway I thought the statement was about the city buses, don't think school buses are an issue as the school bus stops are usually taken care of by their homeowner so the kids are safe and to not do it is not only lazy it's also child endangerment.

Pam

7:39 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

I am fed up of paying the hightaxes for the schoolds.. I am a senior citizen, on a low income, and should NOT be responsible for the schools anymore.. it is so totally unfair.. it is about $1.600 dollars a year I have to pay.. come on get real... I protest strongly and something should be done, right now/

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Pam

7:46 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Another thing that Strongsville needs is a bookstore.. it was a tragedy Borders closed. I am sick of seeing all these Yogurt stores opening..there is so much of the same old, same old... we need different things.. we need a Cafe Brio, or a Cheesecake Factory..and some of the stores Crocker Park has.

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tom m

8:04 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Pam what I find funny is that after you complain about being "a senior citizen, on a low income" (when it comes to being able to pay school taxes) but you can find money for books and Cafe Brio, and the Cheesecake Factory

Pam

8:35 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Well Tom, really none of your business as you have no idea what income I do have.. I have paid the taxes for the school for a heck of a long time and should now and again be able to afford to eat out and buy a book if I want to, that is if there is any left paying for others kids to have trips to Washington and play soccer.. when I cannot afford a trip myself.

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Jean Williams

11:31 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

Pam I am sure you had no problem when YOUR kids were in school, letting the senior citizens pay your kids way through school, but not that its YOUR turn you have an issue, just sell your house and move

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lyn

9:20 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

RE: trips to Washington and soccer
Don't the families have to absorb those costs? I thought they had pay to play and any trips were paid by each kid. Even when the band played out of state, I think each kid had to come up with their own share.
I'm all for this board better controlling costs (including teacher salaries and benefits) and cut out wasteful spending, but we can't neglect the schools and kids at the same time.

Bob

8:43 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013

For the New Year: Reinstate the 100% city income tax reciprocity. Nothing else matters.

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lyn

9:12 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

Pam-
Actually, $1600/year for real estate taxes ain't bad! Not too many places in the county can you pay that, let alone Strongsville.
Also, as a senior citizen, you ARE given a tax break. From the county website:
"On July 2, 2007, the Homestead Exemption became available to all Ohio homeowners, regardless of income, who are either age 65 or older or permanently and totally disabled....All households who qualify for the Homestead Exemption will now receive a flat $25,000 property tax exemption on the market value of their home." So, if you only pay $1600/year, you must get about 20-25% reduction already.

And tom, your comment about the places she does want was my thought exactly - you beat me to it!
But, I guess if she wants to save her income for treating herself to a nice lunch, she should. But, based on her comments, that could only be maybe twice a year. Eat-n-Park is more in line with that age group, but I wouldn't mind one of those here either - for the breakfast buffet.

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lyn

9:28 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

A quick look at some individuals with taxes similar to yours would mean that if you are paying $1600/year in taxes - then your home must have a valuation of under $100,000 and you are getting about a 25% reduction for being a senior citizen. I would like that benefit - I don't have any kids now in school either.

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lyn

9:39 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

FYI-
The annual tax savings on that $25,000 property tax exemption gives you an additional $554.54/year that I don't get, or my neighbors - because we are not yet old enough to qualify.

Pam

10:20 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

Ouch!!Just to let you know. I love kids.. I have lived here for years and years, and did not mind at all when I had my Husband.. and so now I am older, and wish it could be less.. what is wrong with that. If two people are working and have more money it is ok, but when your money goes right down, it is hard. I have paid and then some over the years, as for the moving, why should I... this is my home. I wish the taxes were less...

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lyn

10:26 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

Pam-
As I said, your taxes ARE LESS - $554.54 less than if someone under 65 owned your same house.

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Pam

11:10 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

Let it go...I was under 65 for years here and did not get the benefit.

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Pam

11:58 am on Monday, January 7, 2013

IF IT MAKES YOU HAPPY, HAVE THE LAST WORD.. IT IS NOT WORTH ARGUING WITH YOU..GET OVER IT.

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Jean Williams

3:11 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

Pam why dont you move near crocker park

Pam

4:55 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

For the two ladies who seem unable to let it go.. I was under the impression that this is a free country and everyone is entitled to their own opinion... no need to have ATTACKED me so visciously.......................

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tom m

8:52 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

Pam did you ever think that you might actually be WRONG .....I think Lyn And jean tried to explain that your earlier rant was off base ................but you seem to be one of those who want all the benefits but none of the responsibilities of living in this city ....and as jean said earlier "Pam why dont you move near crocker park"

Pam

8:51 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

You know what. go away..How dare you say I want a free ride... I have been paying all the taxes for 30 years, go and pick on someone else and mind your own business...

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James Murphy

11:37 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

Pam your paying 1600.00 a year in taxes ????? what do you live in a garage or a tree house

Pam

8:52 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

An FYI for you.. I am not reading your stupid responses..

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Lisa

9:40 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

Pam..I agree with you. Snobs won't understand where you're coming from! I am tired of paying every year or every other year for school levy. When my son went to Strongsville I didn't mind paying, even though in my opinion, it wasn't worth my taxes going up. Strongsville doesn't have the programs or facilities my son could of had in Lakewood High, had we stayed. Now he is out of Strongsville system, I don't feel I should have to keep paying. At the rate they make babies in Strongsville, I will go broke! Let the ones having children, one after another, pay for their own schooling. Many vote for levy that don't even own a home, they only rent and we, that own homes, get stuck paying! I also agree, Strongsville needs better businesses, the ones here seem obsolete or weird and expensive. Give us a book store, or even an Interent Cafe..they are fun to go and never give trouble. For those that are against them..why don't you complain about all the bars around with drunk drivers or the head shop that Strongsville allows? We need someplace adults can go, have fun, relax.,and enjoy conversation without alcohol and children screaming or crying. I love children, don't get me wrong, but not everyone has children or children are grown. Borders was so nice..I sure miss the fireplace and atmosphere!

Lisa

9:53 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

Tom...benefits of what? Strongsville is getting as bad as Parma....and costing you more for it! Have you even gone to the mall lately? I know first hand about how bad it is getting...someone I know is security in mall and they tell me all the time how bad it is there, crime and demographics is changing rapidly! So, please tell me what benefits you are talking about? This town is going down hill fast and politically correct, blind attitudes is taking it there! If you don't know what I mean than explaining won't help! BTW...I'm in my early 40's, not a senior yet.

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James Murphy

11:42 pm on Monday, January 7, 2013

lisa you seem to be one of them klan wanna-bees

Lisa

8:22 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

James, it's blind or willing attitudes like yours that helped turn Randall mall, Parma mall, North Olmsted mall, soon to be South Park mall and cities like Lakewood, Parma, Euclid, I could go on and on, that were once thriving and nice, into low par living areas and unsafe. I came from Lakewood, grew up there, so I know first hand! Please James, give me ONE neighborhood that flourished and was better with the changes I speak of? Just one and until you do give me ONE I refuse to even bother with your PC attitude! I know truth hurts sometimes but not facing it doesn't make it go away. I live and pay taxes in Strongsville and moved here to get AWAY from the riff raff, soon if Strongsville doesn't wake up the smart citizens will have enough and start moving, like they have in other places and Strongsville will be another city that was once nice but now a memory of the better days. Not liking what I post doesn't change FACTS! I give Strongsville five years. And yes, I am preparing to move, if and WHEN the time is right.

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Brian

9:36 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Why are we attacking Lakewood? Lakewood is a very nice city!

Lisa

10:27 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Brian...it's OBVIOUS by your post you didn't know Lakewood 20 years ago! I grew up there and went to Elementary-High school. Lakewood is NOT the nice community it once was, not by a long shot! Anybody that grew up there and is honest, KNOWS this!

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Brian

11:23 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Well I have no idea what Lakewood was like 20 years ago but I live there now and I think it's really a great community. Lakewood Park is beautiful, the people are friendly, there are lots of nice stores, and it's very safe (well, except for the time my fiancee and I were out for a run and a group of teenage boys tried to hit us with their car).

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lyn

12:22 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Brian -
Lakewood is such a quaint and unique place. I love the older homes and they have such character. If I wasn't so use to living in the southern suburbs, I just might consider that area.

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lyn

12:31 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Lisa-
OMG! Talk about snobs!
In most communities there are areas that are less desirable - including Strongsville. However, like in Strongsville's north end, cleanup and improvements do happen. I also remember Strongsville over the past 35 years - and lots of changes - and some areas have really benefited (north Pearl/Whitney). Places like Lakewood and Ohio City have seen lots of good changes due to the city leaders and interested city residents. So, I wouldn't be so quick to attack anothers city unless you are actually living there to live it.

Pam

10:54 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Well thanks Lisa.

I made an innocent comment, I do not live in a 100.000 dollar home for James Murphy, that was someone else's conclusion.. I made an innocent comment about a Cheesecake Factory, that would be nice for Strongsville and these other people would not let it go.. for example telling me I should move to Crocker Park, how nasty was that..
I have lived here for years and years, and only now get the benefit of the reduction for seniors, but it is still alot of money that goes to the schools.. and I wish I did not have to pay so much..

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Lisa

11:37 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Pam, unfortunately, there are a few on here that if you don't agree with them, you're a monster. I understand and do agree with your view. Our home in Strongsville has acreage, we do enjoy it, so I pay more. However, I don't enjoy paying for things that I don't use or that someone else is voting on that has no monetary consequence, no matter the outcome. If they own a home they should be allowed to vote, if not, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. Not a hard concept and fair.

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lyn

12:12 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Pam-
YOU stated you pay $1600/year in real estate taxes and are a senior citizen.
Therefore, it is a CORRECT conclusion that the market value on your tax bill is just under $100,000. Look at your bill. If you feel your home is worth more, then you should tell the county, since you feel you should pay according to what are only your actual personal obligations.
Nothing wrong with a $100,000 home - I think those huge mausoleums some live in are wasteful. But to each their own, and whatever makes them happy.
Sorry if I came across as attacking you - merely pointing out that you were getting a substantial reduction already. My one "nasty" remark, was as IF I were to want to just attack - that is, trying to illustrate the difference. I wasn't saying that was how I felt. I don't think you want a free ride and I understand that living on a fixed income can be difficult.

Lisa

11:15 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

lyn...there is so much wrong with your post I really don't know where to begin. I will do my best. First, having a mall or expansions has NOTHING to do with allowing riff raff to be part of your community. It does, however, mean that the law has to be more enforced and the city counsel, landlords, property managers need to be more conservative when evaluating subsidized section 8 housing, that is a start! Don't believe me? Drive down by Whitney Rd., the apt's, enough said. Nice places turn bad, sadly to often, as I stated before with statistics and proof in the reality of just seeing it yourself. Not moving to an area that is nice in fear it may turn bad is ludicrous. The objective is keeping it nice by having enough sense to not allow riff raff to get a grip on the community! As far as taxes go, paying for school levy, every year or every other year, when you have no children in school versus not paying city tax for Fire Dept., when you own a home it that city, is NOT a valid, or smart example, I will not have a problem with paying for schools IF only the home owner's were allowed to vote on the issue, since we are the ones that would be paying. My responsibility first lies with my family and the safety of the community which we live in. I would think that would be everyone's first priority? So, if I don't bleed for the right to equal demographics, whatever color that may be....oh well. I have seen it to many times and lived it once..that's enough!

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Lisa

11:39 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Pam, unfortunately, there are a few on here that if you don't agree with them, you're a monster. I understand and do agree with your view. Our home in Strongsville has acreage, we do enjoy it, so I pay more. However, I don't enjoy paying for things that I don't use or that someone else is voting on that has no monetary consequence, no matter the outcome. If they own a home they should be allowed to vote, if not, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. Not a hard concept and fair.

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Lisa

2:41 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

lyn...It seems your idea of a snob is an individual protesting, being forced to pay for someone else, wanting to keep their community safe, or doesn't have the same view as you. I am not a snob. I would say, my eyes and logic are clear and I am not swayed by PC. I will concede, you're correct that most cities do have less desirable areas in them (doesn't have to be that way) BUT when they start filtrating into the nice parts of the city, say goodbye to nice,safe city. If you're ok with all the nasty hotels, motels, section 8 etc..that's your idea of improvements (not counting stores) than talking about this is a moot point. You ASSUME because I don't live in Lakewood I don't know what goes on. You forget, I grew up there and still have ties there. I'm quite aware of Lakewood's environment. The ONLY thing quaint in Lakewood are the old homes. Many cities had beautiful old homes, Euclid, Shaker etc... Now most, run down and surrounded by ghetto.Years ago Lakewood was a beautiful quaint city, not now. Crime is up from last yr and way up from yrs ago, more board ups then ever before and the school's are seeing more crimes. Yet, taxes are still high! You mentioned Ohio city, yes, they've made improvements but still surrounded in a bad area, so does it really matter? Improving areas without tackling the core issue is a waste of time, money and foolish. We learn this when we continue to pay for areas to be rebuilt after being destroyed by former inhabitants, over and over again!

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lyn

5:24 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

My idea of a snob is someone who thinks, talks or behaves as though they are better than or superior to others - based on many things, such as wealth, what they feel they are entitled to, homes,...
The fact that you so much look down on where you come from without seeing any good or recognizing any of the turnarounds in those areas, amazes me - since you say you are so familiar with that area. THAT contributes to one being called a snob. Now that you have moved out and left your roots, you can feel so superior and bash others who still find their own town quite nice. You strut your opinion and tell others they live in an area you consider so beneath you.
A snob has nothing to do with someone only wanting to take from the community - that is someone totally different and called something else, a taker. You move here, want to only pay taxes for the school while your child attends and complain about the expansion that has been happening since before you moved here. Apparently, when you talk about "all the nasty hotels, motels" you moved here after they demolished all those on Pearl on the north end. As for Section 8 housing, I can't speak to that - you eluded to Whitney Towers as it was once called. I don't think much has changed there the last 30 years.
If you want to discuss the root of the problems, then a good political discussion should be had - if the economy were improved, crime and income might not be as big a problem. Blaming RE taxes is ignorant.

Pam

3:52 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Just so you know those who mad such a fuss about what I said.. I said that much goes to the schools, it is not the total amount by any means.. so those who said something need to read correctly..

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Lisa

6:18 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Pam, no need to explain. Those that attacked you won't listen anyway. You're right they're wrong lol

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lyn

6:59 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Sorry, Pam, but Lisa doesn't think much of you either - being "on a low income" (your words). I don't think you meet her qualifications for being a resident in Strongsville.
However, as I said, I am sympathetic to your being on a fixed income, especially since it will be us all some day - and hopefully the city leaders will remember that our city has an aging population that needs to be considering as they continue to spend our money. But at the same time, we can't neglect our schools completely.

Lisa

6:11 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

lyn...apparently, you read but have trouble comprehending what you're reading. Unless, you're willfully misleading. Where in my posts did I have a problem with expansion? I spoke of crime and demographics at the mall. I explained all that and won't do it again for someone that deliberately refuses to see the truth! It doesn't matter what anyone says about a neighborhood, truth is in the statistics and the seeing with own eyes! About taxes, I stated my point and in short, don't own..don't get a vote..PERIOD! Basically, what you see as improvements I don't, and core issues have to be dealt with first. Making excuses for moral behavior is just that, an excuse. Poor doesn't make you commit crimes if you were not corrupt to begin with! You said blaming RE taxes, have no clue what your talking about? Poor doesn't make you live like an animal with no manners and filthy, as in littering and the like. If you're waiting on economy to come back..don't hold your breath! I'm done with this back and forth with you. I made my point, enough said!

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lyn

6:49 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Lisa -
I think I finally get your point.
Only ones welcome in this town are of are a certain background and must meet a certain middle class checklist. I failed to read between the lines of what you were saying.
Got it! Reminds me of Hitler's approach to cleansing Germany - only you talk around it to sound "PC", your term. I think that goes far beyond being a snob. We all know what riff raff translates to these days.
I had been done with this discussion and had deleted some of my comments earlier because this has eroded to nothing more than fighting in the gutter. But I just couldn't resist letting you know I finally get your point!
If you think the economy has no impact on things, you are really clueless. But, keep blaming the "riff raff" for our city's ills. Maybe ship them out. But, I go to the mall, and really wonder what kind of cleansing you want. I don't think our city is as bad as you feel.

Lisa

7:14 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

lyn, I could not resist, although, by reading Pam's post I know you like having the last word....Since you enjoy riff raff, just wondering why you live in Strongsville and didn't choose a cheaper place to live? What's your excuse? I know must be because you grew up here. lol (sarcasm) OBVIOUSLY, we moved to Strongsville for better area...HELLOOO? If I wanted to deal with riff raff I would have stayed in Lakewood! That makes me a bad person? I don't think so, my family is FIRS, not bleeding for PC pats on back! Strongsville is not bad yet, but it is moving in that direction and people like you that turn a blind eye to conditions changing for worse are at fault! Just wondering how much time you spend on eastside at night? Economy doesn't make you a criminal unless you're corrupt already, like I said..same as guns don't kill you, people do! You can have a gun sit on dresser all night, unless someone picks it up, aims at you and pulls trigger it won't harm you! You, in my opinion, are truly inept!

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lyn

7:22 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Didn't grow up here. Grew up in Brecksville, attended K-12 there. Many "snobs" say moving here was a step down. But I like many things about the city anf haven't witnessed the riff raff you speak of. There will always be a few bad apples, and when a city grows, you may get more. But, even when I moved here years ago, it was a fast growing community and I knew it was not going to be the sleepy burb of Brecksville. But, still, that north end has been cleaned up greatly - yet you think it has gotten worse. There use to be so many no-tell motels up there, replaced by Walmart,... Even Whitney Towers looks better - at least from the outside.

Lisa

7:30 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

lyn...I was right, you are MISLEADING and an out right liar! For you to say I don't think much of Pam because of her income makes you a LIAR! I was the ONLY ONE to come to her defense while you and others on here attacked her. I thank you for showing your true self because now it shows your true character and that you deliberately lie to try to get people on your side but in reality it just made ALL your posts NULL and VOID and mine justified so..THANK YOU!

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lyn

7:38 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Nice try-
I never attacked her. I explained to her that she gets a $554 tax break, which she maybe didn't even know she was getting. She got defensive, as some people do when they are corrected and respond accordingly. I'm much closer to that age 65 than you are and know what retirement and living on a fixed income might entail. I'm about 9 years away, but have been doing plenty of retirement planning in hopes of being able to not struggle on a fixed income, and at the same time am not ignorant of her situation.
Like I said - nice try!

Pete

7:39 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

I've been reading all the posts that go to my email and being way younger all of you as shame I have to say this but all three of you need to break it up and move on. I already told a moderator. This is getting out of hand.

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lyn

7:43 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

I apologize for my part in this. That is why I went back and deleted several of my posts. I was bothered by how I had been drawn into the gutter on this. I just don't like be misrepresented and it keeps continuing!

Pam

7:39 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Like I said earlier Lisa, my comment was not read correctly, because I quoted ONLY what goes to the schools, not the rest of the breakdown..so perhaps they not only do not know how to read, but how to even comprehend what they are reading... and thank ' s so much for sticking up for me..

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lyn

7:47 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Pam- I tried extended the olive branch to you, twice. But, OK.
Not much to miss in your comment "I am fed up of paying the hightaxes for the schoolds.. I am a senior citizen, on a low income, and should NOT be responsible for the schools anymore.. it is so totally unfair"
And I responded you get a $554 tax break.
I think NOW I AM DONE!
People can judge for themselves.

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Lisa

8:07 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Pam...you're very welcome anytime! ;-) lyn....wtg on apologizing while starting again. Pete..I'm no child and as a tax payer, a Strongsville resident and an American I have every right to voice my opinion and to have an open conversation with others, whether you like the content or not. I didn't swear or break the rules, so instead of being a tattle-tail (snitch,nark) please find better use of your time. Nobody likes a tattle-tail!

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Pete

8:35 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

A conversation is not people arguing online. It's discussing the topic with insults, name calling or anything that's been going on here over the past few days.

Lisa

7:43 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

lyn...as usual totally ignored the lie you told to Pam how I didn't think much of her.
NICE TRY back at you!

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Pam

8:33 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

All I can say is suck it up and get over it, those who do not seem to have a life.. I never usually do this so goodbye. I will let you all get on with it, and once again thanks Lisa...

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Lisa

8:41 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Pete...NEWSFLASH...you don't own the internet or this page! We were having a spirited discussion, don't like it, don't read it! Again, no rules broken and I don't have to explain myself to you. Stop acting like a baby and get over it.

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Kim L

9:03 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

I have spent time and read all the posts on this topic, and the post that said it best was lyn's
" Lisa -
I think I finally get your point.
Only ones welcome in this town are of are a certain background and must meet a certain middle class checklist. I failed to read between the lines of what you were saying.
Got it! Reminds me of Hitler's approach to cleansing Germany - only you talk around it to sound "PC", your term. I think that goes far beyond being a snob. We all know what riff raff translates to these days.

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Kim L

9:08 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Lisa you come across as a racist !!!
And Pam A city is only as strong as their school system, If you want to live here you are obligated to support and pay your equal share, The choice is yours.
As others put it, if you do not like it MOVE

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Lisa

9:22 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Kim... I am right...like I said before..My responsibility first lies with my family and the safety of the community which we live in. I would think that would be everyone's first priority? So, if I don't bleed for the right to equal demographics, whatever color that may be, oh well. Why do you live here and not lower income areas if given a choice? ANSWER ME THAT! Usually, when someone calls you a racist because your views are not Politically Correct it's because you hit a nerve. I am allowed to my opinion and I think you are a racist for trying to make me have your views! My views have true statistics backing them up..what's your proof? And a city is NOT as strong as their school system, what planet you live on? A city is strong by how efficient their law enforcement is and how strong the morals are in each individual! If you rent you really have no say in this matter. BTW...telling Pam to move was very rude on your part, she has paid her fair share in taxes and still does and has a right to her opinion.

Bronco

9:46 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Lisa----I have read all the posts myself and understand exactly what you are saying. Believe me there are more that think like you than not, just are more quiet that's the trouble. I don't feel you are racist. I have lived in Strongsville for over 30 years and have seen many things and I believe you are correct in your assessment of what is coming if nothing is done to prevent it.

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Lisa

9:58 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

Bronco....thank you for understanding what I am saying. It is refreshing to know there are people out here that actually stand by truth and reality instead of ignoring facts for political correct nonsense! So worried about offending people (that could care less about you anyway), while letting your own family or community suffer...how wrong is that!

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James Murphy

11:05 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013

well bronco you and lisa can get together and start the strongsville order of the ku klux klan up since your posts are of a race hating tone

Lisa

7:54 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

James...I believe you still owe me an answer to the question I asked you. What's the matter, don't have one? You probably don't remember what I asked (selected memory, or you will say you don't have to answer to get out of it, typical responses) but here it is again.....Give me ONE neighborhood that flourished and was better with the changes I speak of, JUST ONE?? When people have nothing to defend their view they cry racism. In reality, has nothing to do with race and just FACTS! I can't help who is guilty!

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lyn

8:23 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Lisa says at 8:22 am on Tuesday, January 8, 2013:
"James, it's blind or willing attitudes like yours that helped turn Randall mall, Parma mall, North Olmsted mall, soon to be South Park mall and cities like Lakewood, Parma, Euclid, I could go on and on, that were once thriving and nice, into low par living areas and unsafe. I came from Lakewood, grew up there, so I know first hand! Please James, give me ONE neighborhood that flourished and was better with the changes I speak of?"

Lisa says at 6:11 pm on Tuesday, January 8, 2013:
"lyn...apparently, you read but have trouble comprehending what you're reading. Unless, you're willfully misleading. Where in my posts did I have a problem with expansion?"

Lisa at 7:54 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013:
"James...I believe you still owe me an answer to the question I asked you. ... here it is again.....Give me ONE neighborhood that flourished and was better with the changes I speak of, JUST ONE??"

Lisa says at 9:23 am on Thursday, January 3, 2013
" ... we need a SAMS CLUB...."

Anyone else see the contradictions?
She does (or doesn't?) want a nice, quaint sleepy town - yet this was a growing, expanding city when she moved here. She has a problem with what the mall will bring, but what does she want? A SAMS CLUB!

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Lisa

8:44 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

lyn...You want to start again? Unlike you, I can't copy and paste your post's because you coward yesterday and deleted them to make yourself look good. I am NOT ashamed of what I posted and I don't need, like you, other people's approval. Again, you are lying, I NEVER said I had a problem with what the mall would bring. I told you what the security guard FIRST hand told me about what is happening at the mall, more crime, and demographic changes that are involved with most of it! Instead of trying to argue with me why don't you give me answers to my questions I asked to James, and you? II's obvious I want a nice, safe town by my posts but YOU DON'T!! Now, leave me alone lyn...mind your own posts and STOP commenting on mine looking for an argument Remember what you said, you don't want to be dragged in "gutter" well you're the one jumping in on your own!

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lyn

9:00 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Lisa - yes I was embarrassed with the cat fighting. Not trying to win any popularity contest here.
My last post was merely showing the inconsistencies in your posts. But, I don't care to engage with YOU either. I see once I dropped out you took up with others quite easily.

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tom m

9:56 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

What Should Strongsville's New Year's Resolution Be? IF LISA HAD HER WAY it would be ..................that she was named grand dragon of her own branch of the local KKK

Brian

9:17 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

To the people who say that renters should not get to vote on property tax issues:

Renters do effectively pay property tax since it is reflected in their rent. They pay rent to the landlord, and the landlord uses some of that money to pay the property tax. So renter is paying property tax, just not directly.

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Lisa

9:32 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Brian...I don't agree. Renters are not permanent, many can move after a vote if they don't like it and have no consequence to long term monetary outcome. They don't have a right to vote on issues that would concern property taxes going up. The landlord may or may not need the money for property taxes so you can't say that. It still doesn't matter, it's not their home and they can leave once lease is up. What if no lease? That's even worse.

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Brian

10:18 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Even if you own your house you could move if the property tax goes up if you really wanted to. Also, I'm confused by your statement "the landlord may or may not need the money for property taxes so you can't say that." The landlord still pays the property tax, what difference does it make whether he has the financial means to pay it without collecting rent?

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Lisa

10:29 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Brian....My point was that the landlord may not need the renter's money to pay taxes so you couldn't use that as an example. Im curious do you own a home? Your statement about moving if you own is interesting at best. . In many cases, especially now, it is not that easy to move and sell your home. Also, did you consider when the owner tries to sell the higher taxes makes it that much harder to sell? Than the next next guy that buys the home get's stuck with the higher taxes. It's just not fair all the way around.

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Lisa

10:30 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Sorry about typing errors... I don't have my glasses on. lol

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Brian

10:37 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

So whether you get to vote should be determined by how easy it is for you to move? So people who are very wealthy and could afford to sell their house at a loss should not get to vote on property taxes, since they could just leave?

rochelle

9:21 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

lyn----OMG really? I think u need to chill out and leave Lisa alone she has a right to her own opinion, just like u do and I don't see any inconsistencies with her posts? So she doesn't want her town to be like the eastside...so what? That is not a crime. I am 21/f I live in Strongsville with my family and honestly, I have been bothered by black guys at the mall, saying nasty things to me and my gf trying to get with us, and asking if we want to smoke with them they made us feel like we were in another part of town, and when I go with friends a lot of times we get that so don't act like it don't happen. I never had that before at this mall just started last year! And I am not a racist so don't even go there with me but like Lisa she is just saying what the security told her and they are right at least in my case. I don't care who lives in Strongsville black,white,red,yellow, but if you bring trash with you stay out!

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Bronco

10:04 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

tom m
I am probably older than you and have seen many changes taking place in society and for the most part they are not good. I am respectful of women and others that have a different opinion then mine. When you say things about Lisa in in that tone you are just as bad as what you seem to be against. I don't get it, all that have a problem with what Lisa has said still refuse to give answers as to why YOU are right and she is wrong. please enlighten us all. Than we have the young lady who stated the problems at the mall she had, clearly this is an issue that needs to be addressed and not shrugged off.

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Lisa

10:17 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

This is what is wrong and why we have the problems out of control and areas going down because people refuse to stop things before they get worse all because they don't want to offend anyone. But it's to late when their own family or lives are at risk. I wouldn't want my daughter to be treated like Rochelle was but that's ok to you guys right? No one says anything to her claim, don't offend the black people, God Forbid! Why do you live in Strongsville? You must be racist you don't want to live with lower income people! I am not racist, but that's all you can say, I can't help if the people that are committing most of the crime, as I was told is a certain color! Talk about PC, trying to make white people ashamed. SICK!

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Jean Williams

10:21 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

so Lisa are you saying that black people are the problem ??? lets have a straight answer Yes or NO

lyn

10:28 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

With regards to rochelle's and Bronco's comments-
I was going to let it slide at first because she is young, but now that you referred back to it...
Are you seriously going to say no white guys have hit on you or other young ladies? That no white guys out here "smoke"? Why not just admit that you took notice of them because their color was different and you would not have reacted the same way if it had been a white guy. Nothing wrong if you prefer to be with one of your own color, but just because someone of a different color hits on you doesn't necessarily mean trouble - it might just bring out your own insecurities or fears or preferences.
I had my own experiences years ago when I was away at college and working downtown. Some good, some bad - both colors. But just because a black person showed interest in me did NOT mean trouble. If I or others react as such everytime, then people really are correct in throwing around the word "racist". If you don't want to be with them while you are hanging at the mall, move on! But, then think what would your reaction have been if that person were white.

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rochelle

10:46 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

to all u on here I am the one that had the problem at the mall and YES it was the black guys harrassing me and my gf, saying hey baby wanna go get high, oh your looking fine can i get some of that and following us and NO I never had a problem before by anyone at mall sorry no whites guys ever acted like that to me. what is wrong with u adults here you act like its a crime to say some black people can be be wrong. wtf I have black friends and am not racist but even my black friends don't want to hang with black trash. why r u all trying to make less out of this because it is a black people? stop sucking up geeesh im young and glad there are people like Lisa who isnt afraid to speak up, wow you people need to seriously get a clue!

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lyn

3:28 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Young lady, you are also an adult, but seem very sheltered if you have never even seen in movies or tv programs how people of different cultures behave and often think they may be paying a compliment. It is possible that they meant you no harm, but their lingo was offensive to you - as it might be to me.
I would definitely NOT condone someone harrassing you - but if they were, I hope you contacted the authorities if this happened. If not, did you really feel threatened and scared, or did you just think "what a jerk". I find it hard to believe you or your friends were never approached by any of our white boys. If this is true, then I wonder what you would do if you saw a nice looking white guy in the food court and he complimented your looks and asked you out. Would you be just as offended?

Lisa

11:00 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Brian....I don't know where you are coming from on that one. You should only be able to vote IF you have a monetary stake involved. My point was renter's leave they don't own the home, this is not rocket science. Almost like..me telling you, if I worked for you, to pay for my gas in car to get to work. Since, I'm employed by you..you should do what I ask until I leave. And there should be a tax/fund on employers for their workers fuel, back and forth. Get it? You want renter's who don't own a home to be able to vote on whether homeowners taxes will be raised. Not fair. Sorry if not a good example but I don't know how to make you understand.

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Brian

11:08 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

So should landlords be able to vote on these issues then? Even if they live in another city? Clearly they have a monetary stake involved.

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Brian

11:26 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

You're looking at this from a person point of view: if a person is paying property taxes they should get to vote on them. If they don't have to pay them they shouldn't get to vote. That's your argument, yes? I'm looking at this from a property point of view: if taxes are being paid for a property then that property, represented by whoever lives there, should have a say in property taxes. It doesn't matter who is actually paying the tax.

Lisa

11:26 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

It doesn't matter where they live...if they own the home, taxes go up on THEIR property and they are responsible for paying the taxes..YES, they should be able to vote!

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Brian

11:37 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Let me pose two scenarios to you:

First, a man and his wife own a home. Living with them are their two children (who are both over 18) as well as the man's brother and his wife. All the family members chip in money to pay the bills but the dad is the one who owns the home and ultimately is the one who actually writes the check for the property tax. In this scenario who should get to vote on property tax issues?

Second, a landlord rents out his house to four tenants. In exchange they pay him rent. The landlord owns the house and pays the property tax. In this scenario who should get to vote on the property tax issues?

Lisa

11:37 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Brian....even on your example "the property point" they do get a vote but not the renter's the owner would get to vote. If you go by your reasoning I could say "renter's should be responsible to pay for ALL repairs on home, even improvements I want, because you live there" Or how about you still pay me for repairs once you leave and someone else moves in because I'm stuck with bill of repairs and renovations you wanted. Since I would be stuck with tax bill on my home, that you the renter, got to vote on. In short and to end this ..if you don't own the home you shouldn't be allowed to have a vote that could make taxes go higher for the owner.

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Lisa

11:45 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Brian...It doesn't matter the senario the conclusion is the same. The owner is the only one that is responsible if the taxes are not paid. He/She would be the one that would lose their home and be stuck with back taxes, interest and bad credit. Not anyone else whether living there or helping pay. The owner is the one taking risk by having renter's or whoever family, doesn't matter...OWNER get's billed so owner should only have vote...PERIOD!

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Brian

11:47 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

So one property, one vote?

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Jean Williams

12:19 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Again, so Lisa are you saying that black people are the problem ??? lets have a straight answer Yes or NO

Lisa

12:37 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Jean....get over it..I know exactly what you are trying to do. Unfortunately, because of people like you, PC is running amuck. I am curious as to why you have not commented on poor Rochelle and was concerned about how she feels. You seem only concerned with color. Forget Rochelle and how she was treated bad, and how she says it has happened more than once, that's not important or needs to be addressed.... SICK!

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Jean Williams

1:41 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Lisa
i will take that as a yes

Bronco

2:25 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Jean who cares, that's her right. Should we come down on you for any opinions you have on boards and other's don't agree with? This still is America and I served for people to have their rights to have opinions.

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lyn

3:15 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Bronco -
First, thank you for your service.
Second, people have a right to their opinion, but once you cross the line into encouraging city leaders to keep out the "riif raff" (we all know from reading the comments what some mean when they say this) and talk about who can and cannot shop at the mall, you are violating peoples civil rights. If people want to put the pressure on the city and others to keep out a certain group of people, then it will most certainly backfire. Doesn't anyone remember what Parma had to do because of various violations? Among other things, they were under orders from the federal government for over a decade and involved in costly litigation for over 2 decades. What happened? They were forced to bring low-income housing to Parma among other things.
Watch what you say - it could backfire on you tenfold.

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lyn

3:46 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

If anyone is interested, here's just one item to look at that will give some insight into what Parma endured (this link is from the U.S. Dept. of Justice):
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/hce/documents/parmasettle.php

sarah

3:25 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

I would just like to say that my mom teaches at one of Strongsville's middle schools and the MAJORITY of the "riff raff" reside in Chestnut Lake's Section 8 housing. This is a verified fact. Just sayin. It makes me sick to drive down that part of our beautiful city. It needs to be fixed up. So so so so glad that Sheetz and O'Charleys is approved!!!!

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sarah

3:29 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Furthermore, the "riff raff" in our city is not one particular color.

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lyn

3:35 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

I agree - "riff raff" comes in all colors. But unfortunately only one color has been targeted by a select few commenting on here. Its pretty sad that this kind of racial discussion is still popping up now and then. It just goes to show the hatred and ignorance of some.

Bronco

3:53 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

lyn thank you for your appreciation for my service and...you're welcome. However, I have to disagree with you. To me when someone says riff raff it means undesirables, if you take it as a color or not riff raff is riff raff doesn't matter to me what ethnic group it is, if any.To sit by and let things get out of hand when you see problems arising is negligent on our part. We should not feel like we can't say or do anything when we know something isn't right just so no one gets mad or offended. I still am waiting for answers to many questions that have been asked here. What I think you are saying, I may be wrong..is to ignore any bad behavior so not to offend or anger a certain type. The young lady that said she had trouble in mall, that should be addressed. I don't see where it is wrong to address problems before they escalate. I am old but I still believe everyone has a right to their opinion and trying to get leaders to do what they can to keep city safe is fine. It is time to learn from mistakes in past and we have other cities to look at for guidance. I'm to old to worry about being called racist. I fought for free speech and rights and my gosh, I'm using them! Forgive me if I was wrong on your take on this.

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lyn

4:06 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

"What I think you are saying, I may be wrong..is to ignore any bad behavior so not to offend or anger a certain type."
That is NOT my opinion. As I mentioned above, any harrassing and threatening behavior should be reported to the authorities. But, the fact is, as a large growing community, we are not isolated and others will visit us. You cannot keep them out. If someone desires to live and shop among only their own, then a more rural, less populated area should be their destination. Not a large city that is fast growing and has been planning for a mall since the 1970's. If someone is trying to escape a growing, diversified city, then why move to another that is in the earlier stages of this, where the evidence is very obvious?

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lyn

4:14 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

And yes, I agree, when I use the term "riff raff", I'm referring to a type of person - not color. But, it is very evident that some on here are using that label when talking about a certain color - and that is very sad when people parade around such believes in 2013.

Bronco

4:38 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

My Dear it is my vast understanding that when people have the means to move they move up in life to a better area with better schools and safer, getting away from undesirables, crime. I believe this still to be true.When people move they go to a place that may be small and growing it doesn't have the high crime and such, they don't think that it will turn bad. Rural if everyone flocks to it, to get away from riff raff turns into, as you said, diversified city. So you can never really get away, can you? Other cities have fallen to despair when undesirables move into cities making the law abiding citizens leave. You had every right to move into another place than Strongsville, you chose to stay on the South side...why, if I may ask? There was a question posed earlier what neighborhoods ever flourished when it was full of undesirables, and I haven't seen anyone answer yet? I do know many nice cities at one time that are in bad shape now due to crime. And if you are as old as me you remember Euclid Beach Park? Than you know what really was the fall of Euclid Beach Park and than the city of Euclid. No denying that. You seem like you have a lot of displaced anger towards white people?

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lyn

4:51 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

I gave an example - Ohio City.
Throughout the country in all the large cities you have areas of revitalization. I'm not well versed in the names of those as well, but Tribecka comes to mind. Many young people are going back to the cities and value those areas. I prefer an area like Strongsville, formerly from and grew up in Brecksville.
But, don't you find it ironic that some people, white, have moved here for what they feel is a better life - yet those same people are upset when others are following them for the same reasons, as you stated.
RE: "displaced anger towards white people" - I would better characterize my feelings as disappointment in those who feel superior to others and feel they are more entitled to things than another.

rochelle

5:14 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

OMG r u serious? I am not sheltered thank u. Dont be blaming cultures on how the black guys treated me and my friend. my black friends dont act like that! It was very disrespectful no matter what they might have thought. We were scared when we tried to ignore them they kept it up and started getting mean. We actually stayed into a store a long time waiting for them to leave. I dont care if u find it hard to believe we never were approached in that manner by white guys (you said white boys r u racist against whites?) ..but never have been! maybe more white guys have manners? besides thats hardly a good comparison. I cant believe u its like u already have your mind made up that we r lying or something and we r wrong and the black guys get a pass wow. If a nice looking white guy complimented me and was polite ahhh yeah I would not be offended because he was polite, not being offensive like at the mall with the black guys, asking us to go smoke stuff with them and telling me what they would do to me and gf if they got us alone. I guess u think that's ok cause its a cultural thing? Of course I have ran into white guys that are jerks but not like that besides that's not what we were talking about. I guess I am racist to because I only date white guys I am a bad person huh? BTW... I guess that makes my black friends who only date black guys racist! whatever

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lyn

6:46 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Beating a dead horse. I have responded to all your points and agreed with most.
I said in above comments
"Nothing wrong if you prefer to be with one of your own color"
"It is possible that they meant you no harm, but their lingo was offensive to you - as it might be to me."
"I would definitely NOT condone someone harrassing you - but if they were, I hope you contacted the authorities if this happened."
"any harrassing and threatening behavior should be reported to the authorities"

DID YOU REPORT IT? If you come on here to complain that people need to be concerned about the negative things you witness at the mall and feel action needs taken, did you take action and do your part to help prevent the decline by filing a report with the police?

Bronco

5:54 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

lyn----You have every right to have that opinion I just disagree. Ohio City is diversified still more white and almost half and half Black/Hispanic. But they have more problems since being diversified rather than when it started with English and German descendants. You know something..even in prison they segregate themselves on their own..blacks with blacks..whites with whites..hispanics with hispanics etc...when you force people to live diversified you will get anger, not everyone wants it like that and you have to respect everyone's right to feel that way. You can't get mad if some black person only wants to live with blacks or white person only wants to live with whites its their right. I have lived a long time and I know different cultures don't mix well. It's just life. Some are raised different just like you said those black guys might think what they were doing to that young lady was ok but she didn't think so , that's what I mean they just don't mix. And whatever color you are why should anyone be subject to someone else's poor behavior?

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lyn

6:36 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

I'm not saying we should force people to live where they don't want to - but you can't force someone else to not move here. Remember my Parma and the Justice Dept. comment, though - they were mandated to bring in those they had been forcing out and made to provide more low income housing. I don't want that either.
And I agree, one should not be subjected to anyone's poor behavior, but sometimes that is unavoidable. But under no circumstances is threatening behavior okay and must be reported to the authorities. Otherwise, what good does it do if all you do is come on the Patch and complain about it and say other people need to do something about the degradation occurring - duh!

lyn

7:24 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Here's a question to all those blaming the outsiders for the crime and problems in our city-
So, do you ever read the police blotter? What about those Strongsville teenage boys causing trouble in our neighborhoods? I constantly read in the police blotter about something or someone in the area/development behind where the new Giant Eagle store is going. Can't blame the mall for that and the store isn't even built and that area already has plenty of problems. But I'm sure once the store goes up those folks will blame it on Giant Eagle.
Yeah, the majority of our crime right now is caused by your neighbors kids - not even the ones from renters families.

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Bronco

7:47 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

lyn----Your contempt and I am sorry that's what it is. Your contempt for white people and seems wealthy people or well to do people is very disturbing. Why do you even live in Strongsville, why don't you live with the people you keep defending? Why don't you frequent their stores and eat in their restaurants? I try to understand everyone's point and believe they have a right to it but you are really beyond my understanding. And why do you keep bringing the mall into things? I'm sorry but I am starting to see a pattern with you that other's have as well and it's not pretty my dear. My gosh, you seem racist against anyone that is not low income. You know when someone sticks up for one side so much there is always a danger of the other side getting discriminated against. I think you are doing exactly that. You defend anyone not white and low income while at same time you are discriminating against the whites and middle to upper class. You are leaning way to left. Just my opinion, but your anger does show to much.

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lyn

9:43 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

Non white does not mean low income. Racist statement.
I bring up the mall only because Lisa and rochelle continually pointed to that as the example of how the city is in decline. I have NOT seen it. I am NOT the one who is angry over the supposed bad element found there. I have NO problem shopping there.

To say I lean to the left is laughable. I am a right leaning independent and if you had read ANY of my posts on the political articles here on the Patch there is NO way you would even come close to say I was even somewhat left.
You have totally misunderstood all that I have written. Simply put, everyone has a right to live and shop here. Period. It is unlawful to prevent them from doing so. That should be an easy concept to grasp.

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lyn

9:46 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013

"everyone has a right to live and shop here"
You also served for people to have this right.

tom m

1:50 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

LOL and Bronco I am even farther to the right than Lyn .....wake up this is 2013 being a racist went out with disco ..........look around the only racists left are the blacks...... who all voted for obama Just because he was black

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lyn

8:26 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

LOL, but much truth in that!
But there's also those few white stragglers who didn't get the memo!!!

Bronco

8:25 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

tom m like I am to old to worry who calls me a racist, I did serve for everyone to have a right to their own opinions WITHOUT being called a racist. If you say blacks are racist which I tend to agree, than it has NOT gone out, 2013 or not. Young man if you seen and lived what I have, you would know 2013 is not a better time and in my day people were nicer and the races were not angry like this..forcing diversity has done this. Society is doing something wrong when it gets worse than better..wouldn't you agree? Another thing I know to be true..every ethnic group sticks together the white people are the only ones that will go against their own race, and the very people they are sticking up still can't stand them. My dear lyn---you are just an angry, bitter person and forgive me for saying but you are not an honest person either. You are racist against white people and the middle to upper class people, anyone reading your posts can see the contempt for them in it. everyone does have a rught to shop and live where they want BUT when you bring your excuse , cultural riff raff, like the young lady stated about the black men did to her at mall ..and you can't act, live or behave respectful than..people have a right to complain..whatever color you are. And that doesn't make them a racist for it!

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Bronco

8:58 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

My dear lyn---You are proving my point...you said "Non white does not mean low income. Racist statement." That is what you got out of my comment? Right away you judge me for a racist comment, I believe dear you are so head strong on being discriminatory toward white people that you can't, or choose not to see what is really being said. My comment was "You defend anyone not white and low income" notice the AND in the sentence? That means there is two subjects I am referring to. White people and lower income people whatever color they are. Why are you so quick to pounce on any thing that you think would be against a minority? Are you affiliated with the NAACP by any chance?

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James Murphy

10:25 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Bronco --- Being that you served in the military in "the good old days" where there was still some segregation occurring (which I am sure made you happy) and racism is ingrained into your soul and all the discussions on this board will not change that.
I have live in high point for 19 years and there are many families of many different nationalities and ethnic backgrounds, I have and have never had any problems with any of my "neighbors"
BUT if you want to talk about Strongsville trash and riff-raff the whole north end of the city is full of them, and is represented by all the races, not just the race you keep referring to as "them"

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Jean Williams

11:33 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

THANK YOU James Murphey Very Very well said

lyn

9:10 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

LOL- Yeah that's me! I'm chair of the NAACP and the Congressional Black Caucus, and in my spare time I serve as Obama's press secretary. But don't tell anyone because all my friends and family think my political views are the complete opposite of those groups and people. Shhhhh...

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Bronco

9:27 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

lyn--- you have a history on this board, as I read posts again by everyone, to pounce on anyone that you think is talking against minorities and you show to be always trying to find fault or not believeing them if they are white. (you found Rochelle's story hard to believe, and excused black men by their culture) To me you can deny what you are but proof is in everyone of your posts. I know the truth. Forgive me dear but I think this subject should be closed now, at least between me and you. I have things to do have a nice day

lyn

9:30 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013

Bronco -
I "pounce" on ignorance when I see it.

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