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Strongsville School Issue May Have Passed

Updated numbers show Issue 116 with a slight lead

 

It's still too close to call, but updated figures from the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections Wednesday morning show Issue 116, the bond issue for the Strongsville schools, with a 28-vote lead.

After 36 of 36 precincts were counted early Wednesday morning, the issue appeared to be losing by 83 votes.

This morning's tally -- which is still not final -- shows the issue passing 11,222 to 11,194.

On Election Night, .

Mike West, a spokesman for the Board of Elections, said Wednesday morning he could not explain why votes would have been added to the tally after all the precincts were counted.

"I'm not sure why there might have been a discrepancy," West said. 

The vote total will almost certainly change again. There will be a recount, and provisional ballots will not be counted for at least 10 days, according to West.

"Everyone gets to hang tight for awhile longer," he said.

Superintendent John Krupinski thanked voters for their confidence.

"We appreciate the support of our community and the trust they have placed in our district," Krupinski said in a statement. "We will continue to report to the community all progress on this important project to ensure integrity and accountability."

Bruce W. Lockhart November 07, 2012 at 04:09 PM
Why would it not surprise me that a Superintendant and a school board who would attempt to conceal a $5.5 million dollar Performing Arts Center from the voters would some how discover enough votes to pass it?."Integrity and accountability". Nothing could be farther from the truth. It is time to end this fiefdom.
lyn November 07, 2012 at 04:17 PM
I'd like to know if that $46million (?) needed to build the middle school is based on what they THINK it costs to build a school, or is that the ACTUAL sum total of all costs for our specific school blueprint - from foundation on up, including sports fields,.. And, are there other items like Bruce has pointed out that are buried in this? If this doesn't pass this time, we know we will be asked again. Maybe they should be more upfront. This could make many rethink their votes - either for or against.
Bruce W. Lockhart November 07, 2012 at 04:46 PM
Lyn, If you saw my first letter to the editor of the post, I cited that the proposed cost of this school is almost twice the square foot cost of any school being built in our three state region. There are no actual plans, only a mention of square footage and an "UPGRADED MIDDLE SCHOOL" I actually support a new middle school. I am absolutley against giving a board with a history of financial mis-management a check for $46,500,000 to use at their whim.
lyn November 07, 2012 at 04:54 PM
As I remember, they have asked for monies before, and then somehow found funds. I don't like being asked for monied based on a guesstimate - and based on what you are saying, they built in a hefty cushion. Not a good way to conduct school and community business. It diminishes their credibility. We need people like you on the board!
Bruce W. Lockhart November 07, 2012 at 05:12 PM
After this debacle I am considering it. This board is not actiong in the best interests of the citizens. They are grabbing as much money as they can.
Ken Evans November 07, 2012 at 09:52 PM
Strongsville Residents - A Facilities Task Force (members listed in report) officially presented a report on public record to the Strongsville Board of Education on June 7. Since June 7 it has been on the Facilities link at www.strongnet.org and referred to by all three Strongsville media. Page 5 of the report INCLUDES a Performing Arts Center at the new middle school. That cost estimate was from the Ohio Schools Facilities Commission (OSFC) based on recently constructed 800 seat auditoriums. It recommended by the Task Force to add such a facility to the middle school since the high school auditorium is busy virtually every weekend of the year. Most communities around us have multiple facilities. Since June 12 there has been a document on the Facilities link on www.strongnet.org that is called Master Plan. In that multi-page report from the OSFC are estimated costs determined by the number of students, 1,340. This formula assigns the cost per sq foot per number of students. OSFC has built over 1,000 schools. We verified their expertise and found it to be reasonable. This information, and much more, can be found on the Facilities link on the schools’ website. It has been there since June 7. Nothing has been hidden or concealed. Members of the Facilities Task Force are residents who have devoted thousands of hours in the past year to make this effort accurate, credible and truthful. Ken Evans, resident and task force member
lyn November 07, 2012 at 11:07 PM
Why do the schools need to fund a performing arts center and who will be using it, such as the community in general? When a project is being built, isn't it best to work off actual costs rather than best quesstimates of what similar projects cost? I want to know what OUR school costs to build, not any school.
lyn November 07, 2012 at 11:13 PM
If you were having a house built, is this how you would do it? Before deciding to go ahead, wouldn't you want to know the actual funds required? Would you settle for someone telling you how much that house might be to build just based on certain criteria? Of course it would be different in Solon or Westlake or Independence... and what about the location? Of course the costs are going to be different if it would be at Center or by the high school.
Bruce W. Lockhart November 08, 2012 at 12:11 AM
Mr. Evans & Strongsville Residents - I wasn't born yesterday. I have a complete copy of the Facilities Task force report which specifically mentions a Performing Arts Center at the new middle school. It was specifically broken out in the 6-7-12 report as a $5,000,000 cost in addition to the $41,000,000 cost to build the middle school. The problem is that the "Questions About The Proposed Bond Issue" published on line by Strongsville City Schools which was the source most likely used by the voting public listed said absolutely nothing about a Performing Arts Center. By the way I kept a complete copy of that as well. It merely stated to "Refer to Apendix A of the Q&A for DETAILED INFORMATION regarding Phase 1 estimates. Amazingly Apendix A refers ONLY to a "New 6-8 Middle School" at a cost of $46,665,984. with the remainder of the $81,000,000 specific to the other costs involved. Why would the board feel it was not necessary to be that specific in their "DETAILED INFORMATION. I am pleased to provide copies of this to any voter who didn't know exactly what they were voting for. Simply post your request on this site and I'll get it to you "Accurate, credible and truthful", DOUBTFUL. Bruce W. Lockhart resident and tax payer.
Ura Syko November 08, 2012 at 01:37 AM
Are you joking?
Ura Syko November 08, 2012 at 01:37 AM
You people are moronic idiots! What rock have you been sleeping under?
Ura Syko November 08, 2012 at 01:41 AM
Mr. Evans, thank you for trying to educate Bruce and Lyn, I think it's useless. Bruce wants to be mayor and is trying to make a name for himself.
James Murphy November 08, 2012 at 02:28 AM
shhhhhh its a secret Bruce's middle name is Wayne
Bruce W. Lockhart November 08, 2012 at 02:38 AM
Very educated and intelligent response. You are the type of voter the school board loves.
tom m November 08, 2012 at 03:40 AM
bruce whats your beef with a Performing Arts Center....... which was mentioned many times and was voted on ........this can be used by many school groups (and rented out by others) if you do not like it you can go swim in your pool soak in your hot tub or take a walk in your wooded lot and leave the building of schools to the adults
Bruce W. Lockhart November 08, 2012 at 04:37 AM
Tom, Envy is such a belittling trait. Go play with your blocks and have a good evening.
golf77 November 08, 2012 at 10:52 AM
Wow, all some of the individuals were trying to do is point out issues that, lets say, were excatley put forward to the typical voter, who most likely doesn't have the time to review a complete report. I think some of your individual comments against these individuals for just for speaking their mind (Free Speech) and letting other tax payers know some facts, is childish. Maybe you individuals need to get a clue and grow up!!!!
Dan5198 November 08, 2012 at 01:49 PM
I've read the reports, been to the meetings, bottom line, Strongsville needs this. I've voted for this and looking at what it can do in the long run for our city, it's well worth the money...
lyn November 08, 2012 at 02:02 PM
Dan- Since you took the time to learn about this, I'd like your input...why do the 6-8 graders need the $5million performing arts center?
Bruce W. Lockhart November 08, 2012 at 02:57 PM
Dan, I have stated from the beginning I am absolutely in favor of a new middle school. My issues are how it has been presented to the voter, excessive cost as compared to other schools being built in the region and excessive size based on the the districts own report of declining student populations. I have been a Strongsville resident for 20 years and all three of my children attended Center Middle School, but as a tay payer I have to make sure my tax dollars are being used efficiently and I don't believe they are.
Dan5198 November 08, 2012 at 03:13 PM
Lyn- I'm not so sure they "need" a "$5 million" performing arts center, but I do know they need something. Is it over kill, from what I've read with other cities building something similar for their middle schools, 5 million runs a bit higher. Are there things about this I don't like, you betcha, but what can we do, our hands are tied to a certain degree. I only wish there were more people like you and the others here commenting, and within our community, that would talk a whole lot more about it, argue things over, bring things to light as to what we truely need. There are a lot details to this, and some way over my head, but I tend to look at things differently than most I know. I look at this as an opportunity, to expand our schools, to allow our schools to be used more than what they're built for. I look at what it can potentially bring to our children. If someone has a better way, i'm all for it, but what else is there?
Dan5198 November 08, 2012 at 03:23 PM
Bruce- I agree with you, our tax dollars are not being used efficiently... but when you deal with politics, when has our tax dollars ever been used efficiently... not that I'm saying that I complacent about this, but how can we as a whole stop this?
lyn November 08, 2012 at 03:41 PM
I think most agree we need the new middle school. But, it appears they are throwing in as much as possible into this package, knowing that the citizens might pass it because of this necessity. There seems to be to much of a slush fund and frills that should be a separate issue. When the board does things like this, and their past history of miraculously finding funds when needed, it casts doubt on what they are asking for. As a taxpayer, I want to know what the actual costs are for a school to be built at the Center middle school site, based on plans for OUR school - not some guesstimate or average of what it costs throughout the state, and then , hey, lets add in some more things while we are at it, like a performing arts center for 6-8 graders. This all might not matter if it passes now. But, maybe we can put some restraints on their spending and hold their feet to the fire. It might not pass. And, don't forget, this is only Phase 1. There just doesn't seem to be enough communication to the general public about this. I know there are open meetings and info online, but lets face it - people in general will more likely read it on the Patch, cleveland.com or the sun paper. So, those should be where info is made available to the taxpayer, so they really know what they are voting on - not just that its for a middle school and a few extra costs.
Bruce W. Lockhart November 08, 2012 at 09:42 PM
Dan, You are obviously not complacent because you took the time to go to the meetings and understand the nature of the bond Levy.You made a judgment and voted. I researched it in a different manner and determined I didn't like it. True democracy in action. I actually started writing letters to the Editor of the Post on this about 2 months ago. I have no way of measuring if that had any effect. I do know when I talked to friends and neighbors and brought up my concerns a number of them changed their minds. It would seem to me the only way to police our tax dollars would be to attend every council and school board meeting which you would need to do with a fairly large group of concerned citizens. Not doing this is how we lost our full RITA credit and almost ended up with the "Forever Tax Levy" the school wanted. Then you have to deal with Lyn's concern as to how you notify everyone. I'm certainly open for discussions. I think it's pretty obvious we can't trust our elected officials.
Denise November 15, 2012 at 06:47 AM
My children and now my grandchildren attend Strongsville Schools. As a 36 yr. resident I have witnessed a lot. Yes, school levies are passed and then "Poof" they find more money. The Board also gives teachers a raise BEFORE a levy is voted on to pay for the raises. And if a levy does not pass, they stop the bussing to inconvenience the parents, forcing them to vote FOR in the next election, while putting our children in danger. This time they were not very vocal about it only being phase 1. And they switched to "cost per $100 of valuation" instead of $100,000. Have you seen a house for sale under $100,000? As for the info being on their website, WOW! What about residence without computers. You are right. More should have been in the newspapers. Well, the voting is done. As you said, everyone has a right to their opinion and to vote as they wish. I just wish that the residents were more informed. By the way. The people that "reply" with those "cheap shots", they are not worth your time. Discussions (which also give information) are definately a good thing. Keep up the good work.

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