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Negotiations Set for Sunday in Strongsville Teachers' Strike

Teams will meet to hash out contract

 

The federal mediator assigned to the contract negotiations between the striking Strongsville teachers' union and Board of Education has called a session for 1 p.m. Sunday, March 17 to resume talks.

It will be the first meeting between the two negotiating teams since the teachers' union went on strike March 4.

“The federal mediator has asked that our negotiation team be present,” School Board President David Frazee said in a news release. “As I have indicated in the past, the board’s team will be present whenever the federal mediator calls for a meeting.”

The negotiations will take place at 1 p.m. at the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service regional office in Independence.

The Strongsville Education Association, which represents the 383 striking Strongsville school employees, set a meeting for today at a regional union office, without the mediator present, and called on all five school board members to attend.

Board members said they would not be at the meeting, and said the negotiating team -- which does not necessarily include board members -- would meet only when the mediator arranged a bargaining session.

This will be the third meeting that the federal mediator has scheduled since the teachers’ strike started on March 4, but it is the first with the negotiation teams.

The other two involved only two key players from each side and focused on how to proceed, not on actual contract discussions.

To see the contracts proposed by each side, click here

“We will continue to keep the community informed as the mediation process continues,” Frazee said.

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Linda March 17, 2013 at 07:28 pm
You sound as original as lyn does.. Cronie??? ( Making sure i use enough question marks) . Have not seen that word used a billion times over the past few weeks. I can see why you and lyn get along.
Rich March 17, 2013 at 07:30 pm
if you're a teacher can you explain to me why you're so against being reviewed to keep your job like those of us in the private sector are. My job is contingent on me doing my job well. Doing my job well requires me to not only rely on my hard work but on my ability to convince my customers to buy my stuff from me at a profit. Customer satisfaction is huge in my review and there are more metrics that are out of my control than I can count. If you go to work and do your job to the best of your abililty then your review should be just fine. If you can't pass the review and keep your job then you're probably not qualified to have it anyway It's time for the union to go
Mike Ventura March 17, 2013 at 07:31 pm
No we are not. I am really interested to see who is/isn't for better education in our schools or not.
Whiney teacher hater March 17, 2013 at 07:36 pm
I truly hope the BOE made no concessions today. In addition to the above average pay and benefits, another money making opportunity for teachers seems to have gone unmentioned. A Strongsville City school teacher gets right of first refusal for open coaching jobs, whether they are qualified or not (speaking from experience with my study having played on a Team where the coach confessed he has no exprience but took the position for the extra money). For everyone's information, when pay to participate fees were instituted the fee was determined by dividing all of the coaches' supplemental contract salaries by the average number of athletes. I have no problem paying for having my student coaches, but if I'm paying for it would like to be paying for someone qualified.
Pete Webster March 17, 2013 at 07:36 pm
Linda,
I imagine you have a lot of sweatshirts with Teddy Bears on the front of them. Throw one on with a pair of elastic waist jeans, and you are all set for a big night out at Golden Coral.
terry March 17, 2013 at 08:17 pm
TRACY TAKE OFF THE GREEN I REFUSE TO BELIEVE. YOUR IRISH !!!
Holly Lamovsky March 17, 2013 at 09:07 pm
Rich, I am a teacher and all I can speak for is myself. I welcome the reviews as I have confidence I would do just fine. I will say that I don't think the new evaluation system is perfect and there are some kinks that need to be worked out, but I would hope those kinks were not so great as to render a good teacher ineffective. Not every teacher is against being reviewed...I was actually just reviewed by my principal last week. I am proud to invite him or anyone else into my classroom to see what we do.
Bernie Madoff March 17, 2013 at 09:18 pm
I love all the teachers and SEA supporters that come on here, claiming the majority of the strongsville citizens are with them and support their efforts (based off SEA supporters blowing car horns at them every once in awhile during their "hard days work" on the line).
I have to ask, if you honestly believe that is true, then why are most of you against tying your demands to the passing of a levy next year? Let the BOE have a contingency that if a levy does not pass, you will not get any of your demands met and their plan will go in place (and hopefully a deeper cutting plan instead). I mean, hey, if the people of Strongsville (as you claim) are with you and your cause, then it's literally only a matter of months before you are vindicated and we see this massive outpouring of "YES" votes for the next levy right? Why would something like that strike fear in such a "loved" and "supported" group of people? It's basically automatic, right? You won't do it...bc you KNOW that you are so far in the minority that it's not even funny. You all know damn well that you have crossed the pt of no return with the ppl of this city. Any levy that has an ounce of possibility to fund a dime of teacher pay will be squashed at the polls. The only time a levy will pass here again is if it is worded to 100% exclude teacher compensation with any incoming funding from tax $$. So, cross...or get in line and keep up the mindless marching behind Tracy Pig to the slaughterhouse.
Holly Lamovsky March 17, 2013 at 09:25 pm
As to paying public school teachers the same as private school teachers, there are some differences to consider that make the job of a public school teacher somewhat different.
1. Public school teachers must be certified in the subjects they teach, private school teachers do not have to be. 2. The student body at a private school tends to be much less challenging as they can choose who to admit and easily get rid of students who do not follow the rules. It is very difficult to expel a student from a public school. 3. Public school teachers must adhere to state standards and benchmarks, private school teachers do not. 4. Public school teachers must be evaluated by a state-approved evaluation program, private school teachers do not. 5. Public school teachers must prepare students for standardized testing, private school teachers do not. 6. Public school teachers typically teach more students at once as class sizes are almost always larger at public schools. I am not saying there are not quality teachers in private schools, but there are way less hoops to jump through. I don't always agree with what the state puts in place to try and ensure a quality public education, but I do think that some oversight is necessary to keep things fair and consistent for the students. This way, hopefully, they go out into the world at least as competitive as their peers. The success of private school students has a lot to do with socioeconomic status.
Emmett March 17, 2013 at 09:49 pm
Pretty sad dude. My mother passed away from cancer 3 years ago. You have a lot of class.
Emmett March 17, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Lyn, Polaris Career Center and all ohio vocational school districts, are identiified as a school district. It has its own superintendent, assistant superintendent, treasurer, and school board. They collect separate taxes from the community it serves.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3311
jw93 March 17, 2013 at 10:12 pm
Holly, thanks for the feedback! Finally I have another perspective and some information to digest. Those are some pretty significant differences, though I'd prefer eliminating or reducing some of those disparities.
1. I question how much benefit there is in requiring a teacher to be certified in the subject they are teaching. Seems like an unnecessary regulation. I doubt there is hard data on this, but if there is, I'd love to see it. 2. It really does need to be easier to expel a child from a public school, though I recognize that this will likely always be more complicated than in a private school. 3. Again, the state standards and benchmarks . . . it just seems like kids can graduate okay from private school, and if so, I have to wonder how necessary all of these benchmarks are. I understand the need for some regulation. 4. Right now I think the evaluation program from the state is pretty much lip service, since nothing seems to happen to bad teachers. I've seen you reference a new evaluation process starting in a year or two, so warts and all, hopefully that brings some improvement. 5. This one was a shocker. Are you saying private school teachers don't have to take standardized tests? Or is it just that the teacher isn't required to prepare the students for them? 6. It's true that public schools have to accept everyone and that private school students are better off, but I wonder . . . how many of the "hard cases" are being lifted up in public schools?
Tad Taderson March 17, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Bernie,
Well said, as usual. Where have you been the last few days? Your name brings fear to Lynn Shady after the public humiliation you put her through last week. It's nice to see you back.
William Hendershot March 17, 2013 at 10:22 pm
No progress, great news.
jw93 March 17, 2013 at 10:23 pm
To finish my point about the "hard cases", I spent all of my elementary and secondary education in public school (in a district not nearly as well off as Strongsville). It seems like the below average students that I went to 1st grade with me were still poor students in 12th grade. The mediocre students were still mediocre. The exceptional kids seem like they would have done just fine regardless of the quality of the teacher (within reason - I'm not saying the teachers had no effect on them whatsoever). My point is that unless the public schools are raising up a significant number of the poor and mediocre students, I'm not sure what benefit society is getting by having public school teachers have these extra certifications and regulations.
I realize that I'm generalizing here based on just my experience, but it's the only firsthand knowledge I have of such things. Thanks again for your reasoned, informative, and rational reply! You seem like one of the good teachers, and I'm sure your students are lucky to have you.
lyn March 17, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Thank you, Emmett.
However, I think because it is a vocational school it should not be included in comparisons with public city schools, K-12. Have a better evening.
Linda March 17, 2013 at 10:48 pm
What the heck is Golden Coral?
Emmett March 17, 2013 at 10:51 pm
You too!
C March 17, 2013 at 10:56 pm
Another week of babysitting at school. You should all be very proud.
Holly Lamovsky March 17, 2013 at 10:59 pm
jw93 - Public schools are required by law to administer the standardized tests chosen by the state government and publish their scores. You can see them on any public schools state report card. Private schools are not required to give any such test, though some choose to. If private schools decide to give a standardized test to their students, they may choose any test they want - not necessarily the one mandated to public schools by the state. They also have the choice whether or not to publish these scores. So, what happens is that private schools only publish the scores if they are good as a marketing technique to attract parents to their school. The scores they are publishing are probably not even the same test as the public school kids take, so you end comparing apples to oranges if going on state tests alone.
As to your point about the evaluation program, I see how it could easily seem like lip-service though it isn't meant to be. Believe it or not, many good teachers would like to see the ineffective teachers leave the profession as well. It's one of the main things that tarnishes our reputation in the communities eyes. Unfortunately, a teacher can not fire another teacher. The administration has to initiate and follow the process...they just don't do it as often as they should for a variety of reasons - though I have seen a couple teachers let go in my 12 years - usually it is for something other than "just" being an ineffective teacher.
Tony March 17, 2013 at 11:00 pm
BOE...Way to stick to your guns!!! You are supported by many!
terry March 17, 2013 at 11:05 pm
Thanks board. C your a dip shit. Happy St Pattys everyone !!!
Elsie March 17, 2013 at 11:19 pm
Tony,
There are teachers unions in most every state. I think there are only 5 that don't allow unionism of public school teachers. The flip side is in states where there are no unions the students are among the lowest educated in the US. I don't want to get rid of the union, - I'd like to see the union accept the economy and the community's inability to pay any more right now. It may take several years before we all recover. I have no problem with paying a good wage - I know you get what you pay for - but you also can't get cash from an empty source. I agree the automatic raises has to go and something else in its place. And I'm all for a merit based system; paying their own retirement and changes in health care coverage and their share of the payment. Personally, if their average salary remains between the 15th and 25% of Ohio teacher salaries based on all similar factors (no hidden compensation like the pick up and voluntary work stipends) that is Ok with me as well. I don't think the teachers have the right to run the district. and that means the sizes of a class etc is the decision of the administration. Employees do what the employer needs you to do - you don't tell them how to run their business. I agree, they need to always be held accountable for their behavior. There should be no free pass on some of what has been happening. They are an example - part of the job. My child had a positive experience in Strongsville - several good teachers.
William Hendershot March 17, 2013 at 11:42 pm
Every day the BOEs' position and the schools improve, and inveresly the SEAs' position weakens. It will take a little time, maybe a month or so, but the union drones will soon be an unpleasant memory.
The initial union tactic was to force the BOE into signing an unwise, unfunded contract, leaving the voters the choice between drastic cuts or higher taxes. When that plan failed, the next tactic was to shut down the schools. That also failed. The next, and possibly final, union strategy is pretend the BOE is not moving forward and replacing them. Thrown in amongst all of this is a massive media blitz, which is destined to fail. Why is it destined to fail? The average Strongsville voter is a little brighter than to fall for these tactics which worked on a national stage.
William Hendershot March 18, 2013 at 12:01 am
And Kudos to the SEA and Mrs. Linscott for standing on your principals! Keep standing until summer.
Holly Lamovsky March 18, 2013 at 12:14 am
jw93 - to comment on the second part of your post, I partially agree as well. I think there are probably 10% of students that will succeed and learn whether they have the best teachers or the worst ones. I also think there are about 10% that, due to their own lack of effort, will fail to learn whether they have the best teachers or the worst ones. The 80% in the middle, which is still the majority of students, is where the quality of the teacher has a huge impact. There have actually been longitudinal studies done on this very thing (if you're interested, I can see if I can find the one I'm thinking of).
Now, the question is does being certified in a certain area make you a better teacher? That is debatable. I don't think that college programs are training teachers as well as they should be. If they were, the attrition rate among new teachers would not be the highest of pretty much any career out there. That being said, I think that being certified, and the rigorous Praxis tests you have to pass to become certified, do insure that you have an excellent knowledge of your subject matter. The problem is, a good knowledge of subject matter is only ONE skill that a good teacher needs to have. Things like pedagogy, classroom management, intervention, and inter-personal skills are never measured and only dealt with in theory rather than practice in many of the teacher prep courses.
sville senior March 18, 2013 at 12:34 am
This tracy needs to be removed as the union president, at no time has she moved in any reasonable way, this might go down as the biggest union negotiations bust since the air traffic controller mistake back in the 80s
Tracy for the good of the city and the good of the teachers please resign
Bernie Madoff March 18, 2013 at 01:35 am
Thank you Tad.
As you know, I like to be involved in communities where I own properties, but I do have bigger fish to fry...in this case, it was "fugu," or as some of you may know it, Japanese "blowfish." Extremely expensive and very deadly if mishandled. Thankfully, I'm filthy rich and don't make mistakes.
jw93 March 18, 2013 at 03:11 pm
Holly, yes, if you happen to run across those longitudinal studies, I'm very interested in seeing them. Thanks!
Holly Lamovsky March 18, 2013 at 10:49 pm
jw93 - have a look at this link that sums up findings from several studies.
http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/Main-Menu/Staffingstudents/Teacher-quality-and-student-achievement-At-a-glance Some interesting findings that actually support the idea that stronger teachers end up in better paying districts, that maybe years of experience should translate to more pay since it does improve student achievement, that a smart teacher makes a smart student (so how do we attract intelligent people to the field of education rather than medicine, law, engineering, etc) and some other food for thought.

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